[solatic]

I have no doubt that this approach works better than recurring meetings, but I do want to point out the trade-off, which is that this approach requires much more management attention and energy to keep their finger on the pulse and ensure all concerns are handled, compared to their time management being on autopilot with recurring meetings.

So it's a bit of a tautology. Managers who manage time better are more effective. Who knew?

[bonesss]

I’d also give some pushback based on scheduling: fixed meetings are a known quantity people can schedule around.

For coders and people with lives, knowing what their week looks like is critical to planning and stress management (ie in X work hours topic Y will be landed, I have X - 2 hours to have my facts in line; daily 9:15 meeting ends at 9:30, everything after 9:30 is a predictable block I manage).

Now, to the issues and whattabout’s that implies:

1) bruuuuutal meeting discipline: off topic gets killed, new topics insta-popped onto next agenda, scripts of expected responses prepared and shared (“we are green, need approval by X”). Stand if ya gotta, chess-clock if ya gotta, bring in a non-teammate for secretary duties as needed. Meetings are not gab sessions.

2) if that agenda isn’t lava hot with everyone actively getting something, W-O-W, end the meeting. Split off, 1-on-1, task-group it. Fixed project meetings are to make manager-me not have to chase anyone or anything, we are racing to get that done ASAP and the second we’re done it’s time to get the fu… <ahem> grab a coffee, and return to the activities everyone is being paid for. Gab sessions naturally follow, as needed, dynamically adapting to needs and pressures.

Managers who manage meetings manage to meet without meetings managing them. Manage time or time will manage you. The real MBA was the one inside you the entire time.

[ap99]

This sounds horrible to me.

[Nathanba]

I think it seems tautological to us because it's obvious to us. But other people do not understand or care to understand or even care to think about it. You can see it in this very comment section that there are people swearing how amazingly helpful fixed standups supposedly are even on a whole org level. It's obviously absurd but they have different jobs and priorities, they don't have to understand the inner workings of the product and for them it's invisible that the meetings are almost entirely worthless for the actual workers. The meetings are helping them in their job and so it must be great for the org, that's how many people managers think.

[maccard]

I’ve been on both sides of this. Engineers who complain loudest about the waste of time from too many meetings will also complain the loudest about how they feel disconnected from the decisions and from the product IME.

[solatic]

Decisions rarely need to be made on-the-spot in synchronous meetings. You can have asynchronous approaches with shared documents and RFC processes, where you make everything available if people want to contribute to areas that they find interesting. This does not, of course, mean that decisions need to be made by committee, and people who provide feedback should understand that getting the privilege to provide input does not mean that they also get a veto.

It's quite rare to find companies that do this for the same reason it's quite rare to find companies willing to "do agile correctly" and really scope out work before sprints and not put additional work in the middle of a sprint. It takes too much effort and gives up too much flexibility for most managers to make the investment and see if it pays off.