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by ahmadyan 55 days ago
> Barring them from leaving the country feels a bit sinister for people who haven't been accused of committing any crimes.

Pure speculation on my part, but i would be surprised if China didn't have our equivalent of export control laws, not difficult to fabricate a crime and pin it on founders.
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refulgentis 55 days ago
Yr parent is new to standard China legal mechanisms and you pivoted off of that to invent a chain of stuff that isn’t real. Are they unfamiliar to us? Yes. But it’s worth speaking to whether the speculation is rational.
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ericmay 55 days ago
They do have export control laws and such, but based on current and past behavior China’s Communist Party doesn’t need those laws to disappear people or create crimes and then make people guilty of said crimes.

Worth mentioning though that this is not how America functions, nor our rule of law.

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wahnfrieden 55 days ago
What do you make of this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47927544
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ericmay 55 days ago
Not much, none of those cases from the US resulted in disappearing the founders. The US is a nation of laws, no matter how imperfect. Stark contrast to the CCP.
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foxes 55 days ago
lol, your current president and congress dont seem to be following your own laws.
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rvnx 55 days ago
At the end of the day, the process itself, years of investigation, millions in legal fees, frozen assets, destroyed careers is often the punishment regardless of whether charges stick or convictions hold up.

Not sure we can give any lessons to the world.

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cataphract 55 days ago
The US is a democracy, and people are given many procedural and substantive rights, even Guantanamo detainees (we can argue if Boumediene had any practical effect, but we wouldn't have seen the same from China).

But Americans are under the impression that what the world sees is what they mostly see -- the domestic side. And to a certain extent, they do thanks to its cultural influence. This democracy/rule of law, however, is completely absent in way it behaves outside its borders and it's now clearer than ever to everyone that the US is the biggest source of instability in the world. More than Russia. Certainly more than China.

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neves 55 days ago
Maduro will certainly have a fair trial.
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Levitz 55 days ago
Then you probably are not fit to comment on this matter.

I'm sorry to be that blunt but if you don't understand the value of rule of law, the difference in incentives, the consequences of separation of powers, I can't even grasp what kind of perspective you can build. It's genuinely baffling to me.

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rvnx 55 days ago
Epstein maybe ?

“No new US trials are currently planned for the Epstein cases because there has not been credible evidence“

Application of the laws genuinely depends of how much money you have.

We also see it with companies, like if you are OpenAI or Nvidia it suddenly becomes ok to copy pirated works.

Rich people pay damages, poor people go to prison.

Out-of-court settlements are prime definition of such.

Technically, yes the law is followed.

The same with gifts you can officially make to judges in Texas.

Anywhere on this planet where people who have connections can influence the outcome, no matter what is written on a paper, and the US is not exempt.

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