[nkoren]

I agree with this. I'm not arguing that LLMs are conscious. We don't understand the math behind how our brains work; we don't know how close or far LLMs are to that; and we don't know how many different pathways to consciousness there are within math.

All I'm saying is that the argument that "It's not consciousness, it's just <insert any tangentially mathematical claim here>", is dogma. Given everything that we don't know, agnosticism is the appropriate response.