| > multiple things can be evil. You keep trying to imply only one thing can be No, never did I imply that. I'm educating you on the the major arguments against your position which you seem unaware of. Just here I agreed with you that Oct 7 and the Israeli response to it are both wrong. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47921011 > We have finally reached the point where you don't deny that 'death to America, death to Israel' means what it says but instead have to redirect so as not to address it No, we haven't reached any such point. Death to the oppressor is a very reasonable thing to say. How you follow through is what matters. Reacting to actual violence with violent words is reasonable too. I know it's inconvenient, but there is in fact a rhetorical aspect to "death to XYZ" but you have not been informed of it because the US wanted you to be scared for life of Iran. Just like the US didn't tell you that they were helping Saddam gas Iranians. The US (amongst other western powers) is responsible for the current situation in Iran, they have blood on their hands, and every time they do damage the regime or to the country without actually toppling the regime, they are strengthening the islamic republic, like a bad venereal disease that never goes away. I wasn't redirecting, you keep selectively answering my replies and ignoring what's inconvenient. In terms of redirection though, here is a fun read about the immune system from the point of view of bacteria: The Acquired Immune System - A Vantage from Beneath
https://www.cell.com/immunity/fulltext/S1074-7613(04)00307-3 I think there is a lot to learn from how the body actually deals and effectively tames the trillions of microbe present on every mucosal surface of the body. Key quote: "By selecting for evermore-devious parasites, the immune system is the cause of its own necessity." It turns out that the solution is not to try to kill them or physically exclude them (that works only as long as they are not starved, they turn suicidal if they start dying too fast, and we actually need them around - just like we need Iran's oil), but to remove the cause of them trying to cross our barriers. That's what mucus does - it actually gives bacteria a slow but continuous source of energy (O-glycans) that they can live on but is too complex to digest quickly so that they can't take over. I'll spare you the details unless you're interested but it's kind of poetic the way natural selection came up with its version of "turn the other cheek" millions of years before us, then went on to ignore it for short-term gain - and now it's unclear again if the microbes or the vertebrates will win in the end. |
Religious leaders calling for death is wrong, 100% of the time. You aren't going to convince me to change that position, ever.
You never explained why 'death to Israel' means actually working for the death/destruction of Israeli society but the proceeding 'death to the USA' is just impassioned rhetoric.