[ragazzina]

> Third, his steroid/peds program is on point and his body is responding well to it.

Do you have any evidence of this?

[klooney]

There are two kinds of athletes that win global track events: - athletes from areas with bad doping enforcement (remote places in the mountains of Kenya, Jamaica) - athletes from countries with tons of surplus biomedical expertise (USA and other western countries)

[ap99]

His comment is more of a general commentary that east African countries are notorious for doping.

Like, if we find out the top two finishers here doped very few would be surprised.

That said - it's still an amazing accomplishment.

[darrenf]

I’d be surprised, given how outspoken Sawe is about doping. He invited the AIU to test him before Berlin and Adidas also paid.

> Determined to prove he is competing clean, Adidas provided $50,000 (£36,900) to the Athletics Integrity Unit, the sport's anti-doping body, to frequently test Sawe over a 12-month period.

> That began with a reported 25 out-of-competition tests in the lead-up to Berlin in September, continuing at a similar rate as he prepared for London.

> Sawe said on Monday: "It's very important to me because it gets out the doubt in my career of athletics and yesterday's performance.

> "It shows Sabastian Sawe is clean. It shows running clean is good, and we can run clean and we can run faster.

[aucisson_masque]

Armstrong never failed a blood test and he was tested without being warned before hundreds of times a year.

This proves nothing, absolutely nothing at all. It's just a PR move by adidas and actually it seems to be working on you.

[IAmBroom]

I find con men are the first to protest their innocence, and even suggest well-curated "proofs" of the same.

It's not evidence either way, in the arms-race of high-tech doping.

[LanceH]

It pains me that running, track, and cycling are "notorious" for doping, but the major sports don't test at any practical level compared to the "dirty" sports.

[aucisson_masque]

Any sport, at high levels, definitely involve performance enhancing drugs.

Even ping pong, Adderall can be a tremendous help.

It's just that the other sports don't test as much, they are not worst or better.

[LanceH]

That's my point. The major US and European sports don't really test, but the weight of PED blame falls on things like cycling and track.

[m348e912]

I have no evidence of this at all. I did thing it was interesting the demeanor of Sebastian Sawe and second place finisher Yomif Kejelcha, both of whom finished under 2 hours.

If you watch Kelvin Kiptum break the world record at the 2023 Chicago Marathon and Eluid Kipchoge break the world record in the 2022 Berlin Marathon, you see the joy and exasperation of their achievement.

That joy was missing in the winners of the London marathon. It's not evidence, but it's an interesting data point. Another data point: Not only did the first two finishers break two hours, the third place finisher, Jacob Kiplimo, broke the world record.

[sireat]

People do have different emotional response to big achievements.

Still this seemingly detached "matter of a business" look by the winners was intriguing.

They are all high level athletes not Rosie Ruiz, but hopefully this record is clean.

[aucisson_masque]

Interesting, I got the exact same feeling when I went to watch tour de France in mont ventoux.

One of the hardest place to climb and that was after hours of cycling, and weeks of racing.

Despite that, pogacar and his main competitor they looked so fresh. Like when you go do a country stroll. The others looked exhausted, some having saliva dipping of their mouth, but these 2 and maybe a few others had absolutely no sign of being tired.

He would later win the race, the tour de France, and many have serious doubt on him.

He regularly explodes climbing record held during EPO area by confirmed cheaters.

Personally that day I got confirmation that something ain't right.

[gadders]

We never had any for Lance Armstrong until he confessed.