[LtWorf]

Software engineers graduates I've met are usually much worse at programming than computer science graduates.

[whstl]

I'm gonna strongly +1 on this.

Most of the "Software Engineering" curricula I've seen is catered towards "getting a job as a programmer", and is mostly focused on languages, frameworks and outdated processes.

As an engineer in another discipline, there's no engineering there.

I would rank like this: Computer Science > Self Taught > Software Engineering.

[traderj0e]

I remember people in college bragging that they're learning Angular. I was like, is this an engineering or physics thing, angular dynamics? No, it's a web framework with a ton of boilerplate that my LLM deals with now.

[whstl]

Today it's just React, but there was a small window where Angular was the #1 framework and some courses were teaching it.

I even saw a "post-grad in React" lately.

Backend-wise it's the same, it comes and goes with fashion and whatever company has influence in the university recommends.

[a96]

I might go as far as saying that SE is dogmatic. And the dogma is usually very outdated. Not necessarily useless, though.

[traderj0e]

That too