[0_-_0]

they are not inexplicably low -- any rational person sees that any low prices are one year intro deals that revert to excessive after the first year.

We have always hated working with them, and have moved all clients to cloudflare.

[gzread]

You moved from the worst registrar to the second worst registrar. Cloudflare will call you up one day demanding an immediate payment of $150k and holding your domains hostage if you don't comply.

[JoBrad]

Cloudflare isn’t anywhere near being the second worst registrar. I’ve never had anything remotely similar to this occur, and I’ve had hundreds of domains with Cloudflare for years.

[Silhouette]

Cloudflare will call you up one day demanding an immediate payment of $150k and holding your domains hostage if you don't comply.

[citation very much needed]

[vetrom]

https://robindev.substack.com/p/cloudflare-took-down-our-web... - one of a number of citations. To find more insert the terms [Cloudflare, hostage] into your favorite search engine.

[Silhouette]

Whatever was really happening in that incident it seems clear that it was not a simple matter of having registered some domains with Cloudflare and then getting a shakedown for $100k+ because of that.

If anyone else chooses to read the post then I suggest skimming the comments (that are mostly hidden by default) as well.

[vetrom]

The point isnt the apologists that pop up whereever CF gets mentioned, the point is that they more or less have a built reputation for deceptive loss leader marketing.

Maybe early/MVP product engineers should know better, but CFs own education materials do not teach you to expect that.

[Silhouette]

I have no financial or professional connection to Cloudflare as far as I know and that's partly because I'm not sure I like the way they operate and the level of control over everyone's access to the Web they now have. But if we're going to criticise then I think it should be on a reasonable and preferably objective basis. The claim I challenged appears to be the complete opposite of that unfortunately.

[otterley]

If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

[ErroneousBosh]

> Whatever was really happening in that incident it seems clear that

... CF for all their faults probably weren't the bad guy, when they discovered a "customer" absolutely taking the piss with capacity and doing incredibly sketchy things with domains to get around regulatory issues.

I have a courtesy hire car from a breakdown service at the moment with "unlimited mileage". I suspect they mean "unlimited mileage doing the sort of thing you do normally", and that "Unlimited, cool, I'm driving this thing from Scotland to Dagestan" would be met with opposition and a large invoice.

[gzread]

If you were in Scotland or Europe more generally, it'd be illegal for "unlimited mileage" to not actually be unlimited mileage.

If CF decides you're subject to an invisible limit which they won't even tell you and you have your domains at CF, they hold your domains hostage. Luckily, these guys had their domains somewhere else so they weren't hostage. Don't be the one who is.

[jolux]

Cmon, this is the guy that was running a shady online casino which was tanking Cloudflare’s IP reputation, completely different.

[gzread]

Cloudflare didn't give them the option to quit hosting with CF and port their domains out. It held the domains hostage because the domains were registered through CF.

[kalleboo]

Are you talking about a different article? The one linked says they only had their NS pointed at CloudFlare and the domains weren't registered there

[mixologic]

Yeah, thats FUD. Cloudflare hasnt called anybody demanding huge sums of cash and holding your domains hostage. As a registrar they're fine, dont play scammy scum upsell games (because they have a real business model that isnt just registration skim).

[fragmede]

Isn't that exactly what https://robindev.substack.com/p/cloudflare-took-down-our-web... purports happened?

[A_D_E_P_T]

For me, it's Namecheap.

[kirubakaran]

That's worrying. My search-fu is failing me. Link please.