[jauntywundrkind]

Generally yes, but the community around MLX has rallied pretty strong. Sure your disk io is awful, and your OS is buggy, but at least ML compiles and works on a modern OS.

Works like rocm seem so close. But you need either the pre-compiled packages or 2+ year old Ubuntu to compile them. https://github.com/ROCm/TheRock/issues/3477

[com2kid]

I'm still on Ubuntu 22 because everything works. Got enough packages that still request I don't use wayland that I don't want to risk an upgrade.

Sad because I really want the better One drive integration that Ubuntu 24+ comes with.

[jauntywundrkind]

I sympathize. But it seems so weird to me to be a Linux open source adopter, who is also so am conservative. Heck yes KDE, sway, Niri, and so many other new desktops are so so so nice. I can't imagine staying in the old world.

But who should AMD for example target? It seems obvious to me. Personally I think if you are trying to make tools like ai acceleration software, you should 100% be focused on the alpha geeks. The people who want bleeding edge new stuff, the people who will take that and roll with it and expand your ecosystem are almost entirely the early adopters. The progressives are the social tastemakers, are the point on the adoption curve where cool and good happens.

It's infuriating watching AMD bungle their chances by targeting people interested in ancient technology, for their incredibly advanced powerful rich new stack. What are you doing?!?! There needs to be a starting point for the alpha geeks, those who are willing.

[com2kid]

> But it seems so weird to me to be a Linux open source adopter, who is also so am conservative.

I used to be a tech enthusiast who installed the latest bleeding edge everything.

Now days I need a stable machine that lets me work. Sometimes my work is bleeding edge, but I want my machine to be boring and stable.

I can't run the latest open source models if I can't get my machine to even boot.

Also some of the latest AI stuff (desktop control, full screen recording, etc) doesn't support wayland. E.g. https://pieces.app/ prefer x11 due to the simpler security model.

[jauntywundrkind]

I like this quote from warp people, on why they are open sourcing. Parallels to what I'm saying above even though it's a different matter:

> * we need to build our business by offering the best possible product to the most excited community.*

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47936612

TheRock is so close but there just doesn't seem to be an eye on the ball for actually making this usable. This stack of issues blocking even vaguely modern systems has been sitting untouched for months.