[HauntingPin]

Sorry, but painting these people as "standard right-wing" is just evidence for the shifting of the Overton window further to the right. White replacement theory and expressing support for an alt-right ideologue who manipulated people with bad faith, dishonest and downright monstrous arguments is not "standard right-wing".

Charlie Kirk was for mass deportation. He didn't even hide it. He said it openly. How do you come off saying that these people aren't far-right or alt-right when they are unabashedly so?

[lukan]

Well, the overtone window certainly changed, but ... I judge a bit different here.

"expressing support for an alt-right ideologue"

This is what Kling actually said:

"RIP Charlie Kirk

I hope many more debate nerds carry on his quest to engage young people with words, not fists."

I also support fighting with words, not fists. I do not support his ideology at all and would have loved to debate him openly, but the concept of murdering someone for having the wrong opinion is disturbing to me, so I agree with Kling here.

And about "white replacement"

"'White males are actively discriminated against in tech.

It’s an open secret of Silicon Valley.'

One of the last meetings I attended before leaving Apple (in 2017) was management asking us to “keep the corporate diversity targets in mind” when interviewing potential new hires.

The phrasing was careful, but the implication was pretty clear.

I knew in my heart this wasn’t wholesome, but I was too scared to rock the boat at the time."

He said whites were discriminated for being white. Not replaced. That is not really the same to me.

[krapp]

>White replacement theory and expressing support for an alt-right ideologue who manipulated people with bad faith, dishonest and downright monstrous arguments is not "standard right-wing".

It is now. That's what the shifting of the Overton Window and normalization of right-wing ideology does. These aren't fringe beliefs anymore, they're commonly held, mainstream right-wing views. They're policy within the US government. Charlie Kirk was treated as a martyr and a hero by the administration. He was treated with more dignity and respect than war veterans. The DHS posts memes about mass deportation.

The "far right" and "alt-right" no longer exist. Those labels are no longer useful and no longer describe reality.