[jatora]

Would you consider a beautiful sunset as art? is the value of music found in the source or the listener? I argue it is only the listener. The source is irrelevant. That is surely the case for me, and I dont think I'm unhinged or insane. I have a strong feeling I am not a minority in this regard.

Pythagoras argued that music is essentially number and proportion. If beauty is found in the geometry of sound, then the "belief" of the architect is secondary to the elegance of the structure.

[leothetechguy]

When you are hearing music, you are hearing the end Result of hundreds of intentional decisions made over a long time of deliberation, same can be said for Art. I simply do not hear or see that with AI Music or Art, even If I don't know it is AI generated.

A big part of listening to Music for me is relatability. I want to understand the tools and sounds used. And then I can make something similar with the tools I have.

None of that exists in AI. Music can only inspire others if it is the result of inspiration and real decisions that can be understood.

[jatora]

...there is no way that this is what you believe. This is such a pseudo-complex definition of art that I cant even fathom the levels of twisted cope that are fueling it.

I simply don't believe you are arguing in good faith when you say this is your thought process for all music.

"I simply do not hear or see that with AI Music or Art, even If I don't know it is AI generated." This is just a bold faced lie. You are claiming you can tell its AI generated even if you dont know its AI generated. What.

[SwellJoe]

Upon hearing mashed up pop music with almost coherent lyrics, "Shall I compare thee to a sunset?" What is going on here?

Have you not heard music before? Is Suno your first experience with music-shaped sounds? Because, buddy, this is wild. You're not getting Rumours out of an AI. You're not getting Time (The Revelator) out of AI. London Calling does not spring from the geometry of sound.

[jatora]

Maybe I'm just not as emotional as you. Could definitely be the case. Even before AI music I never cared much about lyrics. Nor artist names beyond finding similar music to a song I like. I listen to music for the sound, which does elicit emotion and feelings that are more enjoyable or less depending on my mood, but I don't care about the story being told.

I still don't think you're saying anything that refutes the geometry of sound argument, however. If you heard an AI song you liked, and didnt know it was AI, and found out after the fact, would you be rational enough to accept you could be wrong? Or would it turn you off to the song irrationally?

[socalgal2]

Tangential but AFAICT most people don't care about lyrics. If they did, so many hit songs would not be hits.

To name one, "Saving All My Love For You" should never be played at a wedding because the song is about having an affair with a married guy with kids. But no one listens to the Lyrics. They just hear the chorus. It's a hit for other reasons, not because of lyrics.

Similarly, few people listen to the lyrics of ""Rainy Day Women #12 & 35" (everybody must get stoned). It is not about drugs.

Heck, famously there's Bush Jr. (or more likely some PR person) using "Born in the USA" as a pro-American song. It's not a pro-America song at all. I wouldn't call it anti-American but it's definitely a song entirely about problems in America. Not praise.

[AlexeyBelov]

You're all over this thread shilling, please stop.

Also, you already predefined that certain actions would definitely be rational, and certain others would definitely be irrational, and then ask what action would the person take? Lmao.

[jatora]

Congratulations for getting the joke lol.