[pogue]

I'd be genuinely curious what you could switch to that still has MV2 because, AFAIK, Firefox is the last holdout.

Brave still allows you to install uBlock & some other extensions that should technically not be supported under MV3, but they still ship it with support for those.

Just heard about Helium browser, which is just dechromium + uBlock and it's still beta.

[feverzsj]

Helium still supports MV2, because the upstream hasn't removed related code. They basically turn on/off some macros to enable MV2 again. And this won't last long for sure.

[cookiengineer]

> I'd be genuinely curious what you could switch to that still has MV2 because, AFAIK, Firefox is the last holdout.

My last hope is ladybird right now, I don't use Firefox or Chrome as my main browsers anymore, and use them only within temporary sandboxes. Without history, without cookies, without logins for the most part.

[pogue]

You use ladybird as your primary web browser? And it works?

[cookiengineer]

For the most part, it doesn't. It's not a consumer ready browser, but a pretty nice little rendering engine. If you use ladybird as bindings, it's a bit unstable right now because they are refactoring a lot of parts in the codebase.

I built my own tools on top of it, mostly to use internet websites and selfhosted kiwix archives with my local agentic env.

I guess what I am saying is that I don't have a primary browser anymore. Not a browser where I just can trust it that it doesn't do shit with my data. Being able to selfhost kiwix is a superb internet experience if you build your own search dashboard for it, I can fully recommend it.

Have to merge my things upstream with ZIMdex when I have the time (probably around June).

[1] WIP https://github.com/cookiengineer/exocomp

[2] WIP https://github.com/cookiengineer/zimdex

[tgv]

It seems to me that --unless you really, strictly compartimentalize your browser usage--, using multiple browsers will only supply your data to more parties.

[el_io]

Ladybird supports MV2? I had no idea they have extensions.

[laserbeam]

Ladybird is many years away from being usable by a casual human. The hope is it turns out to be a great browser eventually.

[Pay08]

I don't know if Edge supports MV2, but they do have uBlock available and it works just as well as on Firefox.

[skeeter2020]

It may look like it works "just as well" but that's not true. There are numerous things that impact performance and effectiveness that are not possible with chromium-based browsers, or at least have to be done inefficiently, including

* pre-fetching

* html filtering

* use of WebAssembly

* data compression and private/incognito mode

[Pay08]

Edge has its own extension API in addition to the Chromium one, it's possible that they've managed to mitigate or eliminate these problems.

[raudette]

Safari still supports MV2

[nuker]

> Firefox is the last holdout.

Nope, FF is being infiltrated by adtech for last year or two. Last holdout is Safari now :)

[ThePowerOfFuet]

You cannot install uBlock Origin on Safari.

[16bitvoid]

The Lite version, same as on Chrome, is actually available for Safari. Still not as good as the full one on Firefox though.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id674534269...

[trueno]

what's the diff between lite and full? i dont even remember what i use on safari, wipr or something. mostly use firefox but sometimes i casually just let things launch in safari

[hurfdurf]

https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/wiki/Frequently-as...

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

[trueno]

really appreciate you dropping links thank you!

[mort96]

Exactly.

[fsflover]

Related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44795825

[rs_rs_rs_rs_rs]

>Last holdout is Safari now

Why do people say crap like this... Safari was the first browser to completely remove mv2. From all the major browsers Safari has the worse adblocking experience and support for adblocking extensions...

[nuker]

> Why do people say crap like this...

1. Third-party cookie blocking by default — 2003 (Safari 1.0); industry first.

2. Intelligent Tracking Prevention (ITP), using on-device machine learning to identify and limit cross-site trackers — 2017; industry first.

3. Storage Access API prompts for embedded third-party content (e.g., social login widgets) — 2018 (ITP 2.0); industry first (co-developed by WebKit, later adopted as a web standard).

4. Full third-party cookie blocking (no exceptions) — 2020 (ITP in Safari 13.1); industry first for a major browser.

[potatoproduct]

Apple only does things to progress their own business model. Apple failed at becoming an ad business so they pivoted to subscriptions and app revenue. Now they are building an ad business. Just look at their ad revenue.

[nottorp]

That's what the marketing department says.

Ad/tracking blocking is one of the things that can only be trusted if it's open source, i.e. uBlock Origin.

By the way, does this Adblock Engine actually block trackers? Or it just stops the ads from displaying?

[saagarjha]

ITP is mostly part of WebKit and open source.