[gordonhart]

True, and they're being tried in a federal court of law for it. NYT v. OpenAI is still very much alive, these things just take a while. Can the same be said about DeepSeek or any other open-source model provider performing distillation?

[copypaper]

Pandora's box has already been opened and there is no going back. I doubt OpenAI, et al will get anything but a slap on the wrist in court because punishing AI companies would have a negative effect on the US economy.

>Can the same be said about DeepSeek or any other open-source model provider performing distillation?

Open source models that distill from SoTA reminds me of the story of Robin Hood -- robbing the rich and giving it to the poor. So to answer your question: yes, but it's better than the alternative where only a select few companies have SoTA models.

[gordonhart]

Robin Hood, famous for spinning his acts into a $220M ARR SaaS business (as of mid 2025 [0], likely >$1B by now) and using charity as a marketing mechanism.

[0] https://sqmagazine.co.uk/deepseek-ai-statistics/

[copypaper]

touché hahah. Are there any SoTA open-source models that don't have corporate interest?

[riskd]

You already know what the results of this “trial” will be. Let’s not pretend.

[paweladamczuk]

>these thing just take a while

Oh, so people might be forced to give back the AI earnings? Should I be worried about the last year's capital gains on my portfolio?