[yaakushi]

Many of us have lived or live in countries that are constantly affected and destabilized by past and even modern interventions from the U.S. (the only blame the rest of the "West" bears here is just watching without ever acknowledging the harm done). Just look at Latin America.

edit: Not trying to say "US bad, China good." Just there is perspective to everything.

[xtracto]

This is important.

Just a couple of days ago we found out that 4 undercover CIA agents were operating here in Mexico: https://www.infobae.com/mexico/2026/04/22/no-eran-dos-eran-c...

It has been knokwn that US government operatives provide weapons to Mexican cartels ( https://grothman.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?Document... ).

So, yeah, the US is no "blanca palomita" at all. And those of us suffering from their actions have learned that all powerful nations have good and bad things. Here in Mexico, we've got BYD cars, and they are AMAZING. Also being able to use DeepSeek is so cool.

[DoctorOetker]

If your government refuses to stop the flow of drugs into the US by addressing cartels don't be surprised if the US delivers weapons to said cartels so they can have some infighting going on.

If the mexican government would actually make work of dismantling the organized trade, there would be no incentive to deliver them weapons to shoot each other.

[xtracto]

Demand, markets are always driven by demand.

[nxm]

So that’s an excuse?

[DANmode]

That’s your understanding of why Intelligence backs/works with cartels?!

Oh honey. Black budgets. Cashflow, flow of power.

The “Mexican government” was headed by CIA assets multiple times in recent history: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34903090

https://jacobin.com/2023/06/mexico-jose-lopez-portillo-decla...

What are you expecting Mexico to do, again?

[bdangubic]

supply is never an issue, USA would supply poison to entire planet if the demand was there. blaming Mexico for the sickness of our society is very rich (but often repeated)

[DoctorOetker]

I never pretend supply is a monocausal issue, but it is a contributing issue.

You prefer to believe in monocausal scapegoat mechanisms? Stick your head in the sand at your own peril.

You claim US would supply the poison with pleasure itself, but then why is it being imported?

[HWR_14]

My Spanish isn't great, but it seems like the CIA agents were going on missions with Mexican authorities. Is that an issue?

[throwaway85825]

They were declared cia officers with black diplomatic passports.

[wayeq]

> Just a couple of days ago we found out that 4 undercover CIA agents were operating here in Mexico

was that a surprise? i'd be more surprised if it were only 4.

[xtracto]

They were actually 10 haha, according to the article.

[glenstein]

And some of us have a sore lower back after playing tennis, while some of us have terminal stage four cancer. Who is to say which is worse?

I think right now there's a kind of global propaganda competition playing out and the thing that does the most damage is false equivalences that encourage loss of perspective.

[mlnj]

The only instance of false equivalence I see is the mention of lower back pain vs cancer.

[meowkit]

You cant compare qualia of suffering. At least not with our current technology. Thats the point - they both involve suffering but that doesn’t mean one is inherently worse than the other. The details and experience matter which got glossed over in these stupid debates- hence loss of perspective.

Honestly I had to read the wiki page of false equivalence and you’re not asserting the fallacy correctly.

[DoctorOetker]

we don't need machinery or a mechanism to compare it, natural selection works just fine for 99% of all species on earth.

[CuriouslyC]

The US committed massive treaty violations and genocide, on top of huge imperialist destabilization of many sovereign nations. Tianmen square and the Uyghers are bad, but we're straight up evil.

[blackqueeriroh]

The Chinese government regularly kidnaps its own citizens, who have no due process rights, and is currently engaged in a mass genocide of a racial group they consider “inferior.”

Additionally, they have supported Russia consistently during their occupation of Ukraine, and just install leaders for life.

I’m confused how you think the US is worse. I say this as an Afroindigenous person who is very clear about the harms white supremacy has inflicted upon the cultures I am a part of.

[bdangubic]

> Additionally, they have supported Russia consistently during their occupation of Ukraine

And who are we supporting since roughly 01/2025? :-)

[CuriouslyC]

Just on the genocide scorecard, it's us 0, China 1. Ask a native american what they think of the US govt.

[meloyc]

tell us your story

[1234letshaveatw]

Us? wow, tell us your story