[malfist]

> That's most of the products being sold today

That's just not true at all. The fruit I buy is designed to make my life worse? The vacuum cleaner? The lawn mower? The workout equipment? The standing desk for my office? The clothing I buy?

[embedding-shape]

Yes, literally all those things are decreasing in quality because the companies producing and selling these want higher margins. Have you not noticed the sharp drop in quality and durability in made stuff compared to 20-30 years ago? Almost all those things are worse and lasts less today than they used to.

[bombcar]

There's some cases where that may be true, but they listed a few:

* fruit - I can get any fruit anytime in the year, and it seems fine

* vacuum cleaner - my Miele is still running ten years later and still available new

* The lawn mower - the M18 mower cuts great and uses no gas and just works - much better than the previous PoS

* workout equipment - I don't have much here, but my rowing machine is still going strong

* standing desk - the uplift desk seems quite good quality

* clothing - this might be the only one, but even the walmart crap I get is better than the walmart crap from a decade ago

[subscribed]

If you claim you can get "any fruit anytime in the year and it seems fine", it's probably because you'd inky ever had supermarket fruit-like products which are about as similar to the proper ones as McDonald's Big Mac is similar to the proper burger.

Go to the actual farm in strawberries season next time, get yourself some, and you'll get that. And it's like this with almost every single fruit.

[Edman274]

Do you feel and have the subjective experience of feeling like you're arguing in good faith right now?

[TheOtherHobbes]

German study:

"The proportion of devices which had to be replaced within five years due to a defect rose quite sharply, from 3.5% in 2004 to 8.3% in 2012."

https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/en/press/pressinformation/obs...

Electronics are more likely to be obsolete for technical reasons, but - for example - modern dishwashers and dryers are far more likely to have cheap plastic parts that fail more quickly. Even for brands with premium price tags.

With clothes, fast fashion is designed down to a budget and up to a price. For consumer brands, the more expensive something is the more disposable it is and the shorter its working life.

https://irispublishers.com/jtsft/fulltext/analysis-of-qualit...