[3form]

I don't like mixing of everything 18+ in the article. I think the author wants to put all the stigma in one basket, and I don't it's as simple. For example, porn meets some actual human needs and has a certain function - but gambling? Simple abuse at scale.

I think like you argue, society shaping business is good. And some people should really reevaluate what they're going for if that's too much for them.

[LorenPechtel]

Very much agree.

I have no problems with the porn industry--if anything I think the requirements are too strict. Being able to inspect the records during business hours looks innocent enough, but it assumes you have an office and business hours. And it requires more dissemination of real identities than ideal. Virtually all the sins it's blamed for aren't accurate. About the only valid objection is that porn is no more realistic sex than Hollywood is realistic life. And because we won't do something sensible like actually teach kids about it there are problems from not having other models and not understanding how unrealistic it is.

Gambling, nuke from orbit. Large scale gambling operations have no redeeming social value.

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> For example, porn meets some actual human needs and has a certain function - but gambling? Simple abuse at scale.

Now I'm as as free-minded as people typically gets, but both of those are just "entertainment" for me, one is not more "essential" than the other, what exact "human need" does pornography meet that somehow gambling doesn't also meet, since we're not talking about "fun" or "entertainment" here but something else it sounds like.

[8-prime]

While the porn industry has issue, at its core it isn't constructed to extract money from you.

Boiling Gambling down to just being "entertainment" is a bit too reductionist in my opinion.

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> While the porn industry has issue, at its core it isn't constructed to extract money from you.

For what purpose do you think that industry was indirectly created for, if not to make money from people? Even if it might not have been created with that intent (although I'd still argue it was), today it surely is mainly driven and maintain with the (at least) implicit purpose of extracting money from people, that's literally why we call it an "industry" instead of just a "community".

[adrian_b]

Like others have said, any industry has the purpose of extracting money from the customers.

The original poster has not expressed this correctly, but I assume that the intention was to say that the gambling industry is different from all other industries, not because it extracts money like any other industry, but because it does not return a product or service for that money.

The porn industry is no different from any other entertainment industry and it provides a service for money.

Gambling does not really provide any service, it just exploits the hope of the gamblers that they might gain something by gambling, which at least on average, never happens.

I do not think that one can call the stimulation of this hope of gaining as entertainment. There are some gamblers for which gambling is really entertainment, i.e. they are rich and they do not seriously expect to gain anything, but the majority of the gamblers do not do this to be entertained but because of the irrational hope of gaining enough to solve all their problems.

[8-prime]

Thank you. That is want I attempted to say.

[IshKebab]

I don't think that's the issue with gambling - all commercial activity is constructed to extract money from you.

The problem with gambling is that people often get addicted and ruin their lives due to it.

While that probably can happen with porn I think the likelihood is a couple of orders of magnitude lower.

[lurkshark]

> it isn't constructed to extract money from you

I mean yes, it is; It’s not a charity. I guess you could argue it tends to do it slower than gambling?

[3form]

Sure - what comes to mind:

- helps in managing sexual needs, which can be difficult to handle otherwise, and especially replace

- educational: whether it is about workings of sex, ideas to improve your sex life with a partner, or something to discover about yourself

I suppose there's more to it, but most other things I can think of are an extension to meeting sexual needs.

[itake]

> helps in managing sexual needs

There are plenty of "sexual needs" that society says "no, you can't satisfy them." (for example, Nguyễn Xuân Đạt).

I don't think sexual needs are needs that can't be managed without media.

> educational: whether it is about workings of sex

I find when a partner characterizes porn, the sex is worse... Maybe other people enjoy the sounds or behaviors seen in the videos, but not for me.

[3form]

>I don't think sexual needs are needs that can't be managed without media.

Of course they can, but it still helps - that's why I used that wording.

Also replacement of one sex need with another feels more viable than with other needs, given how the chemical machinery of the body seems to work.

> I find when a partner characterizes porn, the sex is worse... Maybe other people enjoy the sounds or behaviors seen in the videos, but not for me.

I can't say that the content isn't majorly bad, or that the field is not rife with abuse. That's a real problem, but I think u related to the original question of "does it address a real need".

In this case I think the main takeaways are the ideas, techniques, and what you can learn about body from some of the more realistic videos. Somewhat unfortunately, many people pick wrongly, but I do believe right choices exist.

[itake]

The media projects that gay conversion initiatives fail at steering the ship the other direction. Governments (and society) expect personal repression and do not allow for outlets or replacements.

(for the record, these ideas I'm writing about are not my own, but my observations as a member of the society. I wish these topics were less taboo, but it is what it is.)

[TZubiri]

More importantly, one is legal, the other isn't, running a casino without a license is illegal and you can face criminal charges and jailtime, which I don't think is the case for operating a porn studio. This is regardless of the ethics, I'm actually pro gambling and anti porn, but that's the law is all I am saying, and I don't think it's a trivial difference, and for sure the author is bucketing to downplay their 'stigma'.

No buddy, not the same.

I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.