[dzonga]

Jensen Huang said this in his recent interview - that China has the best/most engineers, it has the chip making ability, it's a good thing they wanna build on a Nvidia stack - but if you push them they will build on an all Chinese stack - but the interviewer was being a numb head who kept parroting the propaganda of Western tech supremacy

[zdragnar]

They would have moved to their own stack regardless. They've got the people and resources for it, and they've witnessed the fallout of globalization and experienced dependency on semi-hostile political powers enough to know that it's the smart move.

It's also more or less the same move that they've been using pretty much since the WTO entry: take on foreign manufacturing, copy the products, sell knockoffs as their own, build new products on top of the that knowledge.

[arcticfox]

Referring to the Dwarkesh interview clearly.

Jensen came across as incredibly defensive and intentionally close-minded, shows that even billionaires suffer from "a man can't understand something if his paycheck depends on him not understanding it."

Your assertion is silly: did Tesla selling electric cars into China stop them from delivering their own industry? They were going to develop their domestic industry regardless.

We simply don't know the counterfactual, if they had unlimited access to Nvidia chips, how far ahead would their models be?

[awongh]

I thought Jensen’s comparison to Huawei’s cell phone hardware infra (towers and networking) to be an interesting comparison- that shutting them out of a market was one of the causes of their current position in the market. It made them more dominant in the end.

[nwienert]

No counterfactual there either though.

[ionelaipatioaei]

"close-minded" are the stupid people that unironically believe in the EA crap

[solenoid0937]

> but if you push them they will build on an all Chinese stack

That's alright. It delays them at least.

[throwaw12]

Sure, then hopefully makes them stronger