[Chaosvex]

I was completely (well, mostly) serious, too. I think technical people tend to downplay friction because it doesn't really register to them, or they have too much faith in the average person's computer skills.

The average non-technical person is going to be stumped by the first "lock file found, cannot upgrade" error.

[tlamponi]

I cannot even install a Windows system with a local account anymore without having to open the terminal and enter some obscure commands.

A modern Debian or Fedora with KDE is a breeze otoh, I set that up for relatives and my SO, and they're all more than happy with it. Bugs exist, like in all software, but the friction is way less compared to wrangling with Windows nowadays.

[Chaosvex]

Yep but you can also bet that they're not going to use a local account. They'll link it all to Microsoft.

[tlamponi]

Sure, if you're fine with double standards, every issue from Windows is a non-issue, even something simple as using a local account-or being forced to view ads even after paying (!) for the OS.

It's certainly subjective, but the amount of tech support I have to give has dropped significantly since switching the few people I care enough about to help from Windows to a mature Linux distro like Debian, while they are certainly not less productive.

[kridsdale1]

How many users of modern Linux can thrive with ZERO terminal use sessions? That’s the bar.

[akho]

They don't usually want to. Why restrict yourself in such contortions?

Bit it's entirely possible, and common. E. g., uses of Linux in schools and governments are not more terminal-heavy for end-users than Windows setups.

Fedora on supported hardware does not require the use of a terminal for the kind of things people use Windows for.

Your bar has been cleared long ago.

(that's without even mentioning steam, chrome os, android, &c)