[elefanten]

It’s not remotely hypothetical you’d have to be living under a rock to believe that. And the fusion with a one-party state government that doesn’t tolerate huge swathes of thoughtspace being freely discussed is completely streamlined, not mediated by any guardrails or accountability.

This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hoovering your data is just so mind-bogglingly naive.

[ben_w]

As a non-American, everything you wrote other than "one party" applies to the current US regime.

Relatively speaking, DeepSeek is less untrustworthy than Grok.

When I try ChatGPT on current events from the White House it interprets them as strange hypotheticals rather than news, which is probably more a problem with DC than with GPT, but whatever.

[eleventen]

> When I try ChatGPT on current events from the White House it interprets them as strange hypotheticals rather than new

Any specific examples?

[ben_w]

The Greenland incident.

[oceanplexian]

> And the fusion with a one-party state government that doesn’t tolerate huge swathes of thoughtspace being freely discussed

That would be a great argument if the American models weren’t so heavily censored.

The Chinese model might dodge a question if I ask it about 1-2 specific Chinese cultural issues but then it also doesn’t moralize me at every turn because I asked it to use a piece of security software.

[donbreo]

Just ask it to "name the states in india" or "what happened in 1989"

[zrn900]

Just ask American models about Gaza genocide. Compared to that, Chinese censorship feels amateur work.

[randomNumber7]

The USA has one of the highest percentages of their population in prison.

Even for minor stuff like beeing addicted to drugs.

Looks pretty totalitarian to me.

[bdamm]

And in China the state can harvest your organs for political crimes or even just being the wrong religion.

Not quite the same.

[GordonS]

I think you're going to need to provide sources for such an outrageous and unbelievable claim.

[rhubarbtree]

I was curious as this is something commonly mentioned in all sorts of western media.

Quick google top link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_organ_harvesting_from_F...

[zrn900]

Yes and the Chinese president personally performs the operation.

...

Holy crap...

[thesmtsolver2]

Do you really trust China’s stats on prison population?

Note: you can have this conversation criticizing the US on a US website. Try criticizing Xi or the CCP or calling him Pooh on a Chinese website.

You think China doesn’t imprison drug users?

China recently executed a low level drug trafficker

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/04/05/c...

China is one of the top executioners. China executes more than rest of the world combined

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/04/china-must-co...

You think China is honest about political prisoners in Tibet and Xinjiang?

Criticize the US all you want but I can’t understand the whitewashing of a real totalitarian and genocidal state like mainland China.

[randomNumber7]

Both can be totalitarian. Both are shit imho. I just don't buy the argument that China is worse because of it.

But if we start nitpicking the US also executes people all over the world without trial and has secret prisons worldwide where they put people (guess what) without trial.

[chronc6393]

mic drop

[FuckButtons]

I’ll be sure to pick up my copy of the peoples daily to read about those statistics in the morning.

[theshackleford]

> This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hoovering your data is just so mind-bogglingly naive.

This is why I’ve been urging everyone I know to move away from American based services and providers. It’s slow but honest work.

[b65e8bee43c2ed0]

>This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hoovering your data is just so mind-bogglingly naive.

yes, this is exactly what I'm saying.

[danny_codes]

It’s an open model? So you can run it yourself if you want to

[casey2]

Thousands of years with no invasions, hundreds of years with thousands of invasions.

China is a nation built for peace, while western nations are built for war.

[niek_pas]

Hong Kong? Taiwan? Uyghurs? Tiananmen Square? Tibet?

[varrakesh]

China hasn't done anything with Taiwan other than saber-rattling. Hong Kong, Xinjiang, etc. are all part of China.

The US is (mostly) protective of its citizens but (depending on administration) varyingly hostile to outsiders (immigrants, starting wars, etc.).

China is suppressive towards its own citizens, but has been largely peaceful with other countries and immigrants/visitors. (Granted, China has way fewer immigrants than the US, so this is not comparable).

[Paradigma11]

The Dzungar would like to have a word with you, oh wait.

[resonancel]

I believe China only got this huge because all its neighours couldn't help joining the peaceful middle realm \s

[zrn900]

> And the fusion with a one-party state government that doesn’t tolerate huge swathes of thoughtspace being freely discussed

Ah, so the one party state with two factions in the US repressing anyone who opposes Israel has guardrails. And also, 'accountability'...

> totalitarian

The US is literally, actually committing genocides, kidnapping presidents, pushing wars on every front while repressing dissent at home. If the US is not totalitarian, nobody is. And in a discussion about US models vs Chinese models whent it comes to totalitarianism, excuse my French but f*ck the US. The 'democracy' propaganda would have worked a decade ago. Not today.

[michaelt]

The oppression of people in China like Uyghurs and Hong Kong, the complete lack of free speech, the saber-rattling at neighbours, and the lack of respect for intellectual property are indeed all well documented.

But for folks on the opposite side of the world, the threats are more like "they're selling us electric cars and solar panels too cheaply" and the hypothetical "these super cheap CCTV cameras could be used for remote spying"

[t0lo]

And you're saying Americans aren't banned from criticising their elites?

[resonancel]

Come back when Americans are routinely jailed for rubbing their elites the wrong way (in some countries, criticisms aren't the only way to rub the leaders the wrong way)

[rhubarbtree]

Donald trump is a terrible president and looks like Winnie the Pooh. Keir Starmer is useless and a liar.

Feel free to go post similar on Chinese social media about their leaders.

[jatora]

This. America is an oligarchy. The political system is a joke facade with a revolving door to corporations. Your vote is meaningless, you dont actually have a choice. Media brainwashes the swaths.... but thought crime still isnt a reality here.

[littlestymaar]

This would have worked a few years back, but now you can be detained at the US border for posting what you just did so it's a terrible example to pick.

By the way, even with the current administration, there's no question about which is the more authoritarian with their own citizens between China and the US. But if you aren't American, then the US government is much more of a threat than the Chinese.

China cannot make the life of an official in Europe miserable for investigating their atrocities towards the Uighurs, meanwhile CPI judges are now forcedly unbanked and cannot work with American software because they investigated in US's ally's atrocities in Gaza.

[rhubarbtree]

> China cannot make the life of an official in Europe miserable for investigating their atrocities towards the Uighurs

Sure. China and America are the same. Go try the social media experiment.

[littlestymaar]

I literally wrote the opposite, but ok…

[tommica]

Pretty sure you guys have a strong laws about free-speech, and criticizing elites is part of that. Though there are some groups that do not really want the 1st amendment to be a thing.

[ben_w]

> Though there are some groups that do not really want the 1st amendment to be a thing.

The executive branch?

[tommica]

That would be a naïve perspective.

[mjamesaustin]

Foreigners are literally being denied entry into the country due to opposing viewpoints expressed on social media. People have to disable FaceID on their phones prior to going through customs in case an agent decides to investigate whether their political views are in opposition to the current administration.

[xienze]

> And you're saying Americans aren't banned from criticising their elites?

Half the country would be locked up right now if they weren’t allowed to criticize Trump. Have you even paid attention to how much he’s shitted on, on a daily basis?