[engineer_22]

By the way I'm not a pilot, painter, or plumber, and there are zero coal fired power plants in New York. But I do eat food.

You might also eat food.

If so, you should consider what policies protect your food from contamination.

[horsawlarway]

Yes, today there are zero coal plants (although one that uses it as an alternative generation means still).

Funny that we've managed that over the last ~10 years... it's almost like some other power sources are magically replacing the harm that they'd do?

because there were plenty of them ~2010, I'm aware of at least 8, I'll list them

- Samuel A. Carlson Electric Generating Station (still uses coal as alternate fuel today)

- Fort Drum (converted from coal in 2013)

- Kodak Park (converted from coal in 2018)

- Westover 8 (coal, retired in 2011)

- Hickling Power Station (coal, retired in 2000, so I didn't count this as one of the 8)

- Cayuga 1, 2, IC1, and IC2 (coal, retired in 2019)

- Dunkirk Generating Station (coal, retired 2016)

- Huntley Generating Station (coal, retired 2016)

- Somerset (coal, retired 2020)

Almost like... installing alternative power means we can remove really, really nasty sources? And hey, NY isn't as strong a contender for solar as it is wind. But the economics of wind are a lot harder in more places, and solar is still gaining ground (47% decrease in installation costs measured in NY over the last decade).

And I'm aware a lot of this is a shift to natural gas, it's cheap and flexible, so we're bridging old plants to ng as we ramp up alternatives.

Maybe you should consider what it is you're looking for in policies instead?

[engineer_22]

Solar didn't replace the coal because solar isn't productive in winter when demand is highest.

>And I'm aware a lot of this is a shift to natural gas

Woops, there it is

>Maybe you should consider what it is you're looking for in policies instead?

I'm looking for truth in advertising. Solar has been adopted largely for political reasons, without duly recognizing the full cost.

Batteries are being pushed into NY now to shift solar power from day to night, and from sunny days to cloudy days, a cost not accounted in the original sales pitch. Liquid phase batteries containing toxic chemicals and track record of fires - being pushed into poor communities than can't afford to properly deal with the issues.

But even batteries won't fix the real problem - solar is seasonal, and it produces power during the summer, and in New York the summers are warm and pleasant. But in the winter, when it's cold and dark, solar power drops out, and there's nothing you can do to fix that.

Now the goal post is shifting again, and the search is on for a site to build a nuke plant along the shore of Lake Ontario - far from the strong NIMBY environmental groups of NYC