[ajkjk]

this take is irritating because it implies that people at companies don't have to bother being ethical or holding the people around them accountable at a personal level for being ethical, as if it's somehow predetermined by the environment, being at a corporation, how you behave.

Certainly it's true that the incentives of corporations push you to ignore ethics. But that's why they're ethics: they're precisely the things you should do that you don't have to do. That's what morality is. Sure, for the purposes of doing things about unethical companies, it might be best to view all corporations as fundamentally unethical because that implies that the right place to make society better is by opposing their behavior with laws. But at an everyday human level everyone is responsible for exactly the things that they do and being at a corporation in no way changes it at all.

[orochimaaru]

I’ve seen this time and again. The more money that a corporation or the leaders in there make, the less they’re worried about ethics.

It’s an irritating take. But personally I don’t move in the same circles as those making ethically dubious and partially legal decisions.

Do I want corporations to be ethical? Yes. Will I campaign for that and call my senator and congressman? Yes.

Are corporation lobbyists calling my congressman and senator with boatloads of money? You bet.

I don’t think everyone understands how disruptive privacy violations are. I think the best place to begin is start educating kids in high school about it, like they do for sex ed.

Am I willing to put money on the line and risk unemployment in the current market? Depends.

[IneffablePigeon]

Thank you for putting into words what I dislike about that refrain so eloquently. It’s a cop out.

[satvikpendem]

An irritating take can still be largely true simply due to how the incentives are set up.

[ajkjk]

It's not about true or false. The point is that it's true if you're conceptualizing corporations as enemies to be handled and false if you're conceptualizing them as something you're part of that you're responsible for and you're trying to hold people accountable. The truth value is relative to your moral goal.

[_factor]

Being at a corporation normalizes sociopathy to some extent. The phrase: “It’s business, not personal”, outlines it well.

It is ok to harm another group of people financially and even personally because that’s what “business does”. Degradation being a ratchet that calcifies unethical behavior doesn’t help. Companies tend to get less ethical the older and larger they become.

[JumpCrisscross]

> Being at a corporation normalizes sociopathy to some extent. The phrase: “It’s business, not personal”, outlines it well

The phrase essentially describes subsuming individuality in favour of group interests. You see similar refrains in militaries, monarchies, non-profits and HOAs.

[davidw]

Especially HOAs.