[redanddead]

what's wrong in admitting you don't know something for a fact? i would love to see some proof for mythos or a white paper or something

smaller companies, even startups, are held to much much higher standards

is anthropic somehow immune? what have they done to earn that immunity? what good will, good stewardship, good faith have they shown to the developer community in the past few quarters?

call a spade a spade

[solenoid0937]

Perhaps hardening Firefox? https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/ai-security-zero-day-vul...

The developer community is wildly fickle. They turn on you at the drop of a hat if you don't puritanically adhere to what they want. The question isn't "what have they done for the developer community" (no one working at a real company gives a shit), the question is "are they lying about Mythos".

I don't see why Mozilla would write that blogpost if they were. Is Mozilla lying too now?

[redanddead]

You don't know what Mozilla got access to. They may just be covering their own asses.

My hunch is that it's a marketing ploy. I don't trust a company that says they can protect others if they let their own tools leak, it feels like logic to me, am I wrong?

[BoorishBears]

I don't understand why you're stuck on the word lie?

These are both true statements:

- We've just developed our new top model for agentic coding

- We've just developed a model capable of finding cybersecurity vulnerabilities at a scale never before seen

The problem is/was when you say the 1st statement, you're saying something that everyone says. OpenAI said something similar for 5.5 just this morning. Once you loudly frame your release in the latter terms, you're not lying... but you're being very intentional in trying to grab headlines.

Every top release from a frontier lab now enables the same thing. That's why we've already had response-level filters on cybersecurity for months now from both OpenAI and Anthropic.

Technically every time either has released a top model for the last several months they've been "enabling automated cybersecurity penetration at a scale never before seen.": it was Anthropic that decided to quadruple down on the language and create a ton of buzz.

But OpenAI today showed that the existing cybersecurity mitigations already addressed the concern of misuse. Anthropic has the same (or even stricter) detection for widescale automated attacks and could have used it to ship Mythos if not for the marketing points.