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by rohansood15 57 days ago
Most code is not P99 though.

Also, have you considered that your trust in Anthropic and distrust in China may not be shared by many outside the US? There's a reason why Huawei is the largest supplier of 5G hardware globally.
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fnordpiglet 57 days ago
I find it hard to believe anyone who has ever done business inside China doesn’t know that the structure of Chinese business is built around massive IP theft and repurposing on a state wide systematic level. It’s not a nationalism point, it’s an objective and easily verified truth.

Most code is not P99, but companies pay a premium to produce code that is. That’s my point.

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Zetaphor 57 days ago
I'll ask you the same thing I asked the other guy. How is a an open weights model that I can run on my own hardware without an internet connection going to exfiltrate my trade secrets to the Chinese government?
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dTal 56 days ago
It's the same user and they already answered you: "If you read I’m talking about their service only models."

But yes this is a non-sequitor. The original question was "What competitive advantage does OpenAI/Anthropic has when companies like Qwen/Minimax/etc are open sourcing models that shows similar (yet below than OpenAI/Anthropic) benchmark results?"

Even if you don't trust Chinese companies, and you want a hosted model, you can always pay a third party to host a Chinese open weight model. And it'll be a lot cheaper than OpenAI.

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rohansood15 57 days ago
Chinese companies are built on IP theft, and Anthropic/Open AI are not?

And in world where code generation costs are trending to zero, goodluck commanding a premium to produce any kind of code.

There is a whole bunch of P99 code that is open-source. What makes code P99 is not the model that produces it, but the people who verify/validate/direct it.

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piperswe 55 days ago
Didn’t the major American labs pirate a whole bunch of their training data?
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runjake 57 days ago
You're right, but perspective is important, and that's because China and the US are engaged in economic warfare (even before the current US regime), vying for the dubious title of "superpower".
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