[youniverse]

Yeah I think there will be a time in a few years (1-2?) when both Google and Apple will get to eat their cake. They aren't playing the same game of speed running unpolished product releases every month to double their valuation. They have time to think and observe and put out something really polished. At least that's the hope! :)

[ativzzz]

> put out something really polished

Like Apple Intelligence? Which was quite crap

[doug_durham]

Specifically what was crap about it? It seems to do what was advertised.

[ethbr1]

I think most people expect more than semi-reliably setting a verbal timer in 2026.

[tomassre]

The functionality showed in ads was never even available internally - and is still not available today how long after their marketing released it

[echelon]

That's because these mega monopolies have diverse income streams and have grown like cancers to tax every system and economy that touches the internet.

Anthropic and OpenAI are having to fight like hell to secure market share. Google just gets to sit back and relax with its browser and android monopolies.

Why did our regulators fall asleep at the wheel? Google owns 92% of "URL bar" surface area and turned it into a Google search trademark dragnet. Now Anthropic has to bid for its own products against its competitors and inject a 15+% CAC which is just a Google tax.

Now consider all the bullshit Google gets to do with android and owning that with an iron fist. Every piece of software has a 30% tax, has to jump through hoops, and even finding it is subject to the same bidding process.

These companies need to be broken up.

Google would be healthier for the economy and its own investors as six different companies. And they shouldn't be allowed to set the rules for mobile apps or tax other people's IP and trademarks.

[harrall]

Google invented the AI architecture that Anthropic and OpenAI based their entire companies on? Based off years of research at Google.

Of course they should have to fight with the inventors of the technology they’re using.

[someguyiguess]

> Google invented the AI architecture that Anthropic and OpenAI based their entire companies on

Source?

[ckcheng]

Unless you don’t think Attention Is All You Need?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_Is_All_You_Need

[IncreasePosts]

"Attention Is All You Need" was a paper by a bunch of Google researchers

[_0ffh]

Still, attributing that progress to "years of research at Google" alone is simplifying the facts to the point of being just plain wrong. That kind of research was always very much in the open and cooperative, with deep levels of standing-on-shoulders.

Attention e.g. was developed by Dzmitry Bahdanau et al. (those being Kyunghyun Cho and Yoshua Bengio) in 2014 while interning at the University of Montreal.

The insight of the paper you point to was that with attention you could dispense of the RNN that attention was initially developed to support.

[irishcoffee]

Context: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42310213

[triceratops]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_Is_All_You_Need

[Zigurd]

If by fight like hell you mean hype like hell, then yeah.

Sam Altman's honesty problems, and Elon buying a VS code fork for $60 billion isn't a sign of moral uprightness or wisdom.

There's a lot to be said for grinding away at a problem. Being on your eighth generation AI chip and seventh generation of autonomous driving hardware is how you build value. Not by hobnobbing with fascists and building an army of stock pumping retail investors.