[DanHulton]

Oh my god, yet _another_ "developer-focused" laptop with full-sized left/right arrow keys, which are an absolutely miserable experience to actually use.

How is it that Apple is the only company these days() that consistently gets this right?

( Yes, I know they used full-sized keys for a while, I moaned and cursed them at the time as well.)

[trostaft]

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Sorry, I've never seen this perspective, why do you want the smaller ones? The small arrow keys on my MacBook are one of my least favorite parts of the keyboard.

[bschwindHN]

You want the smaller ones so you can easily locate the arrow key cluster without having to look. The empty space above the left and right arrow keys is a good tactile indicator that your fingers are on the correct location.

[bigyabai]

The modern Thinkpad arrow cluster spoils me; most other laptops leave me reaching for a convenient pgup/pgdn key that doesn't exist.

I'd much rather see something like that, going back to Fn+up/dn makes me feel like a caveman.

[stavros]

Real developers use hjkl, which, if this keyboard uses QMK like their previous ones, you can just remap to actual arrows (with a modifier key). I am only slightly joking.

[kristianp]

I agree with you that having full height left-right and half-sized up-down is a pain, because of the inconsistency.

The problem I have with laptop keyboard is that the arrow key height is too small, and the cluster itself is too crowded to sit my fingers on comfortably when using arrows. I want the arrow cluster to have full sized keys.

[manuhabitela]

> How is it that Apple is the only company these days() that consistently gets this right?

Thinkpads also do this right, and have a way better keyboard layout than macbooks actually :)

[lawn]

A developer-focused laptop shouldn't even need arrow keys.

It's weird what people prioritize.