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by JuniperMesos 56 days ago
> Poor people pay more taxes than rich people. If you think that's fine, then we disagree on basic human morality.

This isn't generally true. Even the categories of "rich" and "poor" people are ill-defined, in part because people adjust their government-legible assets based on how they will be taxed on them. The relationship between someone's actual wealth and how much they pay in taxes is complicated, and falls out of the complex relationship between governments using tax policy to incentivize different behavior and people modifying their behavior based on those incentives. But no matter what, a person with a low income and a low amount of assets is only capable of paying so many dollars in taxes, and that number is lower than the amount that people much richer than them pay.

> Aaaaand now we know why they really bother you. These stupid Mexicans don't Speaka Da Engleesh! They're clogging up the schools with spanish-speakers! What are we supposed to do, learn a second language?? Have ESL classes?!

El problema no es solo Mexicanos que solo hablan español y no inglés - en los estados unidos hay extranjeros que vienen de muchos países del mundo, y que hablan muchos idiomas distintos. Los chinos, los afganos, los indios, los nigerianos, et cetera. Cuando las escuelas necesitan providir servicios educacionales a niños de muchos paises en muchos idiomas, la calidad de la educación que ofrecen sufre.

>> I don't think this proposed banking regulation harms me in any way > That is a great world view. Screw everyone else as long as I'm fine.

Any legally-regulated human activity introduces a trade-off between the amount of effort legitimate actors need to put in to fulfill the requirements of the regulation, and the amount of illegitimate activity that is prevented by the regulation. My assertion is that I already show proof of citizenship in a bunch of bureaucratic contexts in my life, so adding banks to it is not any additional trouble for me. It's only additional trouble if you're in the country illegally, but that is exactly the illegitimate activity that the regulation is intended to curtail.

Needing to get a liquor license to legally operate a bar screws over people who would like to operate an unlicensed bar, but this doesn't mean that someone who already has a liquor license and who politically-supports the existence of liquor licenses is doing anything wrong.

> I'm trying not to go there, but it really seems like you're saying "keep those spanish speaking brown people out of my nice white gated community". There's a word for that.

I agree that gated communities with lots of white people in them are nicer than non-gated ones with lots of brown people in them. I even think this is true in Mexico, where the white people in the gated communities themselves speak Spanish. Indeed, I think the brown, Spanish-speaking Mexicans also noticed this general fact about the world, and this is what induced some of them to illegally immigrate to the US, a place with more white people than Mexico. I don't personally live in a gated community though.