[chewz]

Makes sense.

It is over for the little guy - home enthusiasts and vibe coders. Too many of them saturating resources for Max users.

IF you cannot afford few hundred dollars subscription go out and breathe fresh air. But if you can, watch where the ball is rolling - few thousand dollars subscriptions and even less programmers.

[rustyhancock]

Hear HN tell of it, Claude pays for itself 3× over.

Something tells me congitively it's making us misjudge how productive it's making us.

It's clearly massively increasing output, but did the market already soak up all that productivity and now it's not compensated?

If your salary is 50k. And Claude makes you 2x as productive, why aren't you earning 100k?

Why is it anyone can't afford $200/mo if it's truely increasing worker productivity?

There seems to be a paradox here.

Personally I switched to Z.ai and GLM quite some time ago. I've not noticed any decrease in quality or quantity of my work.

[npunt]

Agree about psychological impact outpacing likely actual impact, but that’s a relatively temporary phenomena as we are all adapting to the new way things work.

Productivity wise employment is far more than code production productivity in a vacuum, and productivity gains are rarely captured by employees (see famous chart on worker productivity where that correlation changed around 1970). I wouldn’t expect to see much in the next 1-2 years besides noticing effective teams increasing velocity of features.

I think people in forums like complaining about things and aren’t representative of the broader set of people who are just using the tools, so no real paradox. For vast majority of tech jobs, $200/mo is still an absolute steal in terms of what these tools offer. Only the dullest of companies would not realize this.

Fwiw in the 80s-90s computers also didn’t really register in productivity metrics. Qualitative changes occur long before accurate measurement catches up.

[zormino]

Because most people work for someone else and don't decide their own salaries. It's not doubling productivity, but even a 10-20% boost to productivity for a team of engineers means that, as a business, even $1k per month per seat is perfectly acceptable. For consumers and hobbyists that basically kills access.

[pcurve]

yeah the more people who use it means less competitive edge you have. Benefits get devalued. And you're back to square one.

[michaelcampbell]

> Personally I switched to Z.ai and GLM quite some time ago. I've not noticed any decrease in quality or quantity of my work.

> Something tells me congitively it's making us misjudge how productive it's making us.

This could be happening to you, too.

[whattheheckheck]

Vscode agent mode and github copilot can use Claude models and has feature parity with the .md customization for agents prompts skills etc.

Not too expensive

[user34283]

They slapped a 7.5x “promotional” multiplier on Opus 4.7 and they are removing Opus 4.6 in short order.

I heard they disabled signups for non-business accounts too.

Best forget about using Claude Opus models in Copilot.

[michaelcampbell]

> Best forget about using Claude Opus models in Copilot.

I noticed this morning that Opus isn't even one of the models in the `/model` command in Copilot. Highest I can get (on the paid, but least expensive) tier is Sonnet 4.6. I'm pretty sure Opus was allowed recently, but not now.

[whattheheckheck]

Yeha not thrilled about that.

Looks like you gotta build your own agent harness and self host or use aws bedrock for "sovereignty"

[michaelcampbell]

Indeed; especially since I paid for a sub with some expectations, and those are being changed out from under me.

[user34283]

I heard they offer a full refund for this month if you are understandably unhappy with these changes.

[jfrbfbreudh]

Truly makes no sense. I pay for the $200/month plan and end up using about $3k/month worth of API costs. I imagine that the only reason they haven’t cut me off is because my habits serve as good training data for them.

Guess they’ve decided to move in the direction of allocating compute primarily to power users and enterprise.

But power users are not a sticky customer base. I just bought the ChatGPT Pro plan and would immediately switch over if the model performance is better and/or I get more compute.

[edg5000]

Or the API is overpriced. The concept of charging per tokens does not map well to the actual costs an AI company has.

[mattgreenrocks]

Odd, everyone was insisting this would "democratize" programming though.

Guess it democratizes it if you have money, huh?

[SAI_Peregrinus]

Good old "one dollar, one vote" democracy!