[segmondy]

The great thing bout the net is also it's biggest problem. Anyone can write a blog and if it looks nice, sounds polished they could sway a large group. I roll my eyes so strong at folks that reject SOLID principles and design patterns.

[f1shy]

I have seen way too often, advocates of SOLID and patterns to have religious arguments: I don’t like it. That being said, I think there is nothing bad in SOLID, as long as treated as principles and not religious dogmas. About patterns, I cannot really say as much positive. They are not bad per-se. But I’ve seen they have made lots of harm. In the gang of 4 book, in the preface, I think, says something like “this list is neither exhaustive, nor complete, and often inadequate” the problem is every single person I know who was exposed to the book, try to hammer every problem into one pattern (in the sense of [1]). Also insist in using the name everywhere like “facade_blabla” IMHO the pattern may be Façade, but putting that through the names of all classes and methods, is not good design.

[1] https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpris...

[ghosty141]

> That being said, I think there is nothing bad in SOLID, as long as treated as principles and not religious dogmas

This should be the header of the website. I think the core of all these arguments is people thinking they ARE laws that must be followed no matter what. And in that case, yeah that won't work.

[tracker1]

Something, something, wrong abstractions are worse than no abstractions.

SOLID approaches aren't free... beyond that keeping code closer together by task/area is another approach. I'm not a fan of premature abstraction, and definitely prefer that code that relates to a feature live closer together as opposed to by the type of class or functional domain space.

For that matter, I think it's perfectly fine for a web endpoint handler to make and return a simple database query directly without 8 layers of interfaces/classes in between.

Beyond that, there are other approaches to software development that go beyond typical OOP practices. Something, something, everything looks like a nail.

The issues that I have with SOLID/CLEAN/ONION is that they tend to lead to inscrutable code bases that take an exponentially long amount of time for anyone to come close to learning and understanding... Let alone the decades of cruft and dead code paths that nobody bothered to clean up along the way.

The longest lived applications I've ever experienced tend to be either the simplest, easiest to replace or the most byzantine complex monstrosities... and I know which I'd rather work on and support. After three decades I tend to prioritize KISS/YAGNI over anything else... not that there aren't times where certain patterns are needed, so much as that there are more times where they aren't.

I've worked on one, singular, one application in three decades where the abstractions that tend to proliferate in SOLID/CLEAN/ONION actually made sense... it was a commercial application deployed to various govt agencies that had to support MS-SQL, Oracle and DB2 backends. Every, other, time I've seen an excess of database and interface abstractions have been instances that would have been better solved in other, less performance impacting ways. If you only have a single concrete implementation of an interface, you probably don't need that interface... You can inherit/override the class directly for testing.

And don't get me started on keeping unit tests in a completely separate project... .Net actually makes it painful to put your tests with your implementation code. It's one of my few actual critiques about the framework itself, not just how it's used/abused.