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by shmeeed 59 days ago
I hate to be the guy to say it, but this is just capitalism working as intended.
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If capitalism is about meeting market demands apart from any objective sense of quality, then yes. It's basically curve fitting.

The reason things are shittier is because the market is shittier. Consumer demands shape what companies make and sell. If companies can get away with selling garbage, because the market is undiscerning, then they will make garbage.

It's the same with politics. Ultimately, the quality of a political culture is determined by its participants.

The real problem isn't capitalism, but consumerism, which, among other defects, prioritizes the maximization of quantity over quality.

But capitalism helps create consumerism. Demand is manufactured, not just met.
That depends what you include under the definition of "capitalism". I think a minimal definition - private property, profit motive, market exchange - doesn't necessarily entail consumerism. You need to include additional factors like the cultural/moral context and the political order. Liberalism + capitalism can easily degenerate into consumerism, because the state here takes a permissive moral stance toward vice.

In any case, no one is inducing new basic appetites into the market, but seizing on (often through deception and manipulation) existing appetites. "Keeping up with the Joneses", for example, exploits envy and other covetous vices in the populace. Indulging vices naturally feeds those vices which can entrench a culture that normalizes them.

Not really - it’s __one form__ of capitalism working as intended but capitalism (like most -isms) can take many vastly different forms.

There can be a much better form of capitalism also in the US - since this whole thread and discussion is pretty US-centric.

No True Scotsman eh?
That would imply no better form of capitalism than present in the US actually exists. But there are many other countries in the world that have a different (still capitalist) system.
It really isn't though. Capitalism doesn't have to be like this. This is a side effect of certain aspects of capitalism.

It's like saying lack of innovation is communism working as intended.

I'll repeat my definitions/understandings of capitalism as generally understood within the USA today:

1. strong entrepeneurial culture, limited obstacles from government when starting new business ventures and/or products & services

2. a "free" market, meaning that in broad terms government does not control prices nor what can be bought & sold or how much or when it is sold

3. distribution of profit generally goes to capital (stockholders) rather than employees.

None of these require enshittification. I also believe that we could have a thriving and vibrant economy without #3.

Political and economic orders or systems matter, of course, but ultimately, even good ones fail, because ultimately all political/social/economic orders depend on the quality of their participants. No system can neutralize the effects of human vice and stupidity as such, because every system is the product of the actions of those very same people.