[defrost]

> To launch one requires a submarine

Torpedoes cannot be launched from manned / unmanned surface vessels?

Wow.

Good job China isn't getting into water surface drone swarms.

Still, easy to see why close waters near Iran keep the US carrier groups away.

[wredcoll]

> Torpedoes cannot be launched from manned / unmanned surface vessels?

They're getting close enough to target the carriers without being sunk.. how exactly?

[defrost]

Relatively low cost, numbers and sheer persistance.

Post WWII US has always struggled with asymmetric wars that can't be solved with military dominance and rarely addressed on deeper issues.

This current Iran conflict is reminiscent of the Taliban in Afghanistan, who survived 20 years in a frozen conflict with the US before taking back control of the country when the US withdrew.

The betting is strong on Iran still standing when Trump gets bored and carried off stage.

[wredcoll]

> Post WWII US has always struggled with asymmetric wars that can't be solved with military dominance and rarely addressed on deeper issues.

I mean, yeah, we're talking about the part of the war that is unrelated to the weapon systems involved.

[defrost]

> we're talking about the part of the war that is unrelated to the weapon systems involved.

I'm talking about asymmetric strategies that can be used by a less armed actor to stand off and occassionally clearly best a better resourced actor.

You know, wooden wing hand carved swarms Vs floating fortress cities with orbiting overwatch.

The Taliban, NVA, and likely Iran will be future examples of mice left still standing after the biggest cat on the planet failed to move them on or wipe them out.