[vogre]

> Russia would never nuke Ukraine to begin with

Mostly because that's useless. Ukrainian weapon production and economy is located in Europe. Ukraine is basicaly western PMC now.

If nuclear war starts, nukes would be falling on European cities and facilities, not Ukrainian.

[pjc50]

Everyone keeps forgetting about the French independent at sea nuclear deterrent.

I wonder when Poland will decide it's time for them to have The Bomb?