[magicalist]

> Quick reminder, the only humans to ever make it to the moon did it due to “barbaric tribes showing who’s better”.

Weird to quote that when that's not what the GP said and appears to be a paraphrase that loses quite a bit of specificity and so misses the point:

> We need more “for all of humanity” mindset instead of this “barbaric tribes beat each other over the head for sticky oil”

Being realistic about the species is useful, but let's not be disingenuous for imaginary rhetorical points.

[strulovich]

I slightly corrected it not to trick op. But to clarify their position was naive. Sorry about that.

It still is naive no matter the quote though.

It’s also naive to dump down the conflict to being over oil. Oil is being used as leverage. But it is not the cause of it.

[spwa4]

What is the cause then?

[strulovich]

Roughly, trying to keep it with minimal judgement, as hard as it is: - since 79 Iran is marking the US and Israel as enemy countries. (The US due to the 50s revolution, Israel because of the Palestinian problem?) - Iran has been developing nuclear weapons, and using dangerous rhetoric threatening those counties, form Iran perspective this is a defensive measure. - after recent happenings in the Middle East Iran directly attacked Israel (non direct attacks have been commonplace for a while now) making Israel stand to w 12 day war. - the conclusion of this war put both sides in an arms race. - finally, the Iranian protests ending in supposedly 30k dead citizens within about a week changed the perspective of western intelligence about the risk of Iran. A regime willing to kill so many of its citizens and building nuclear weapons is a problem hard to ignore.

Negotiations were clearly Stuck between the sides, forcing the obvious next stage.

This is simplified. But I think touches the core events.