[Moosdijk]

I wonder why glm is viewed so positively.

Every time I try to build something with it, the output is worse than other models I use (Gemini, Claude), it takes longer to reach an answer and plenty of times it gets stuck in a loop.

[pkulak]

I've been running Opus and GLM side-by side for a couple weeks now, and I've been impressed with GLM. I will absolutely agree that it's slow, but if you let it cook, it can be really impressive and absolutely on the level of Opus. Keep in mind, I don't really use AI to build entire services, I'm mostly using it to make small changes or help me find bugs, so the slowness doesn't bother me. Maybe if I set it to make a whole web app and it took 2 days, that would be different.

The big kicker for GLM for me is I can use it in Pi, or whatever harness I like. Even if it was _slightly_ below Opus, and even though it's slower, I prefer it. Maybe Mythos will change everything, but who knows.

[tasuki]

> The big kicker for GLM for me is I can use it in Pi, or whatever harness I like.

Yes, but... isn't the same true for Opus and all the other models too?

[slopinthebag]

Opus is about 7 times more expensive than GLM with API pricing. And since you can only use the Opus subscription plan in CC, you're essentially locked into API pricing for Pi and any other harness.

So you're either paying $1000's for Opus in Pi, or $30/month for GLM in Pi. If the results are mostly equivalent that's an easy choice for most of us.

[tasuki]

Perhaps I'm being extremely daft: If the API is 7 times more expensive, then why is it $1000 vs $30? Or is there a GLM subscription one can use with Pi? Certainly not available in my (arguably outdated) Pi.

[RussianCow]

I'm not the OP, but it's the latter. I'm currently using the "Lite" GLM subscription with OpenCode, for example. I'm not using it very heavily, but I haven't come close to hitting the limits, whereas I burned through my weekly limits with Claude very regularly.

[bink-lynch]

I am using GLM-5.1 in pi.dev through Ollama Cloud. I am able to get by on the $20 plan. I use it a lot and the reset is hourly for sessions and weekly overall. This is the first week I got close to the limit before reset at about 85% used. I am probably using it about 4 hours a day on average 6 or 7 days per week.

[girvo]

You can use GLM’s coding plan in Pi, just use the anthropic API instead of the OpenAI compatible one they give.

[probst]

Or tell pi to add support for the coding plan directly. That gave me GLM-5.1 support in no time along with support for showing the remaining quota, etc, too.

It also compresses the context at around 100k tokens.

In case anyone is interested: https://github.com/sebastian/pi-extensions/tree/main/.pi/ext...

[Mashimo]

I have used GLM 4.7, 5 and 5.1 now for about 3 month via OpenCode harness and I don't remember it every being stuck in a loop.

You have to keep it below ~100 000 token, else it gets funny in the head.

I only use it for hobby projects though. Paid 3 EUR per month, that is not longer available though :( Not sure what I will choose end of month. Maybe OpenCode Go.

[Mashimo]

EDIT: Ok, now I tried GLM for the first time in the morning CET, and it was .. bad. The reasoning took 5 mintues for a very very small .html file going around in circles.

Evening CET experience for me is super smooth.

[gck1]

That's unfortunate. 70-80k tokens is roughly the point where I start wrapping up with giving agent required context even on the small to medium sized requests.

That would leave almost no tokens for actual work

[chillfox]

GLM is the first open source model that actually worked for me, where I found the output ok.

And yes, sonnet/opus is better and what I use daily. But I wouldn’t be that upset if I had to drop down to GLM.

[Akira1364]

IDK about GLM but GPT 5.4 Extra High has been great when I've used it in the VS Code Copilot extension, I see no actual reason Opus should consume 3x more quota than it the way it does

[spaceman_2020]

I think it offers a very good tradeoff of cost vs competency

4.7 is better, but its also wildly expensive

[slopinthebag]

You're probably just holding it wrong.