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by bix6 63 days ago
I don’t really understand this. We already run KYC / AML. Is that not good enough for some reason?
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People seriously underestimate how much easier it is to open a bank account in the US compared to most other countries. Especially with how many states give out government-issued IDs to non-residents/non-citizens (16 states + Washington DC).

It's estimated that between $250 billion and 500 billion is laundered through US banks every year, though some portion of that is via correspondent banking and not just individual account money muleing.

And this just collects that information. It doesn't actually stop people from opening these accounts or shut them down.

> It's estimated that between $250 billion and 500 billion is laundered through US banks every year, though some portion of that is via correspondent banking and not just individual account money muleing.

The money laundering is not happening through consumer deposit accounts (I've never heard your term money mueling and it's almost definitely not people moving $10,000 at a time if that's what you are suggesting).

It is wanton disingenuity to think that the goal of this rule is prevention of money laundering.

I didn't say that was the goal. I explicitly said that it wouldn't do anything about it. Just that it happens.

And absolutely it happens, particularly with networks of accounts connected to China. Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. FinCEN has been publicly chasing this down for years. Although hawala networks are also a big source of that not mainly personal banking.

Also you're missing the forest for the trees here. Money laundering will most often happen through business bank accounts but a large number of business account holders also have personal accounts at the same bank and link them out of convenience.

Personal ID is also required to open a business bank account. This requirement will likely apply to those as well.

> Also you're missing the forest for the trees here

I see what you're saying - I am just trying to convey that the $250 billion dollars being laundered is commercial. It's hard to imagine how anyone can come close to those figures by using consumer accounts, linked or not.

So why doesn’t existing AML catch this? You also mention FinCen which Trump paused so why not just reinstate that?
He didn't "pause FinCEN", he stopped the reporting requirement of BOI for US Citizens/Companies.
Ok agreed. So why? If there is an issue with foreigners then why is anyone exempted from reporting BOI? I have foreigners in my entities, surely the gov wants to know about them?
The money laundering won't go away. It'll just move to administrations-approved money laundering vehicles like crypto. And needlessly disrupt or ruin the lives of millions. Neat.
What's the solution, no laws? Since laws just shift the venue for the crime in your view?
Banks are to be ICE now.
Basically this. Banks are already deputized into being de facto law enforcement by some of the KYC/AML checks they are mandated to do, and anti-immigrationists want this remit to include checking if someone is in the US illegally trying to use a bank.
The goal is to de-bank any opposition to the government. It starts with an easy out group like immigrants. Then more and more groups will get de-banked or otherwise disenfranchised.
>The goal is to de-bank any opposition to the government. It starts with an easy out group like immigrants.

Or an easy out group like the Freedom Convoy protest truckers.

I did not realize that the number of Freedom Convoy truckers was roughly the same as number of immigrants. That is a big issue!
I did not realize that the number of Romani was roughly the same as number of Jews. That is a big issue!
No reply. Not surprised.
It starts with an even easier out group like "actual criminals or other groups that are fairly strongly hated by a lot of people".

The groundwork for this crap was laid in the 1870s when they were going after the klan, the 1920s bootleggers, then the 1940s-50s mobsters, 1980s drug traffickers, 2000s terrorists, etc, etc. Every step of the way people cheered.

Of course some people looked at the "hurricane cone" of public policy at the time and said that we were not on a good path. Of course they were ignored.

That's covered in the article
Is it really though?

> But that doesn’t satisfy Bessent. “Why can unknown foreign nationals come and open a bank account?”

To do business obviously. Are you seriously telling me the government, armed with Palantir, can’t already flag money laundering? Why is an “unknown” in the country in the first place given this admin’s extremely hostile view towards immigrants?

It's because certain banks like Bank of America will explicitly take business from undocumented immigrants, knowingly so.

As a quick example, I know for a fact they accept expired visas as ID proof to open an account.