[maxcan]

that study was pretty thoroughly debunked. Also, I believe it was put out by a lobbying group representing auto dealerships who see the Tesla DTC model as a mortal threat. There is a lot of legitimate criticism to be directed towards Tesla but the ISeeCars study "aint it".

[mzl]

I've heard people saying the study is bad, but whenever I've asked about why the answers have been pretty bad. Do you have a good source for why we should disregard it?

[dangus]

Find a link that shows it’s debunked then? All they did was analyze federal crash data.

I don’t know what’s so hard to believe about the study. Tesla’s numbers are pretty similar to other low-performing brands.

[maxcan]

https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/01/11/tesla-fatality-rates/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISeeCars.com#Partnerships

https://x.com/larsmoravy/status/1860100416819855492

Looking for more. tl;dr is that NHTSA publishes accident rates but not mileage. ISeeCars has access to legacy auto mileage from dealership data but guessed at mileage for Tesla's in the period in question. Their methodology was not released and was a fraction of the total mileage that Tesla recorded over that period.

I do agree that Tesla could do a much better job with data transparency. But the claims of the ISC report are pretty difficult to reconcile with the crash test ratings they've gotten from many regulators across the world.

[dangus]

So really, Snopes didn’t actually find any direct evidence that the study is wrong according to their own article, and the only way to debunk it is to take the word of a Tesla executive who made the total mileage denominator bigger.

This doesn’t show that ISeeCars is biased against Tesla specifically. Certainly their methodology could be flawed, but we don’t really have anyone else debunking them directly, and we have no evidence that it’s a hit piece.

IIHS crash test scores being good are the only counterpoint and those are synthetic in nature: crash test in a controlled environment. They can’t test for things like whether the occupants could get out or whether autopilot hallucinated and got into an accident that would have otherwise not happened.