[AstroBen]

> What’s not talked about is the long-term consequences of falling into these groups where excessive drug self-experimentation is normalized.

Lots of people from the 2010-ish era of "aesthetics" and steroids are having heart issues now in their 30s (or earlier). Pretty sad to see.

To me it's fairly clear where this comes from: ambitious people convinced they've figured out some secret cheat code that no-one else has. I'm yet to see that path end well for anyone.

> You should recognize that they are a bad person

Maybe I'm giving them too much credit but I don't really think they're bad people. Young, arrogant, stupid, unaware of the consequences of what they're doing sure... but I don't think it comes from a malicious place where they're intentionally trying to hurt others.

[edmundsauto]

Ahh but intent to harm doesn’t mean thy aren’t doing harm. “The road to hell is paved with good intentions”

[ericskiff]

That comment seemed to revolve around consent. Willful, nonconsensual dosing of anyone with any drug is a violation, and yes doing it and bragging about it is reprehensible.

[theahura]

To be clear, as far as I am aware, there was nothing that I heard or saw that would be remotely considered non consensual dosing.

[fc417fc802]

Is malicious intent required? I don't think most people I would consider bad see themselves as such - everyone has their reasons after all. There can certainly be extenuating circumstances but in general I'd take the combination of stupid, arrogant, and unaware as making someone a bad person. More generally I tend to view those who repeatedly display an unwillingness to consider the impact of their actions on others as being bad people.