[mg794613]

Yeah, as a dutch person I was already already not happy of our soldiers dying in a country that didnt do 9/11 not had weapons of destruction.

I remember Bush's words very clearly; "you are either with us or against us" which was a arm twister and not something an ally would do.

Little over 20 years later we are again forced to comply. Not for freedom, not for righteousness. No again for oil to make a few in the USA even richer.

And this time its bipartisan.

I think the Americans that died for my freedom are rolling in their grave about what their children are doing with it.

[porridgeraisin]

How does ASML have any leverage here? They don't have any of the IP related to EUV. It is fully american owned. The actual light source is also physically manufactured in the US. They license the tech and "only" do assembly. They pretty much have no choice but to do what the US asks here.

[general1465]

The laser vaporising tin is manufactured in US, not the UV light itself, neither the UV mirrors for focus.

[usrnm]

You know that you don't have to do whatever Americans say, right? It will come with its own downsides, but it is a choice. Maybe it's the Dutch people who died for your freedom and independence who are rolling in their graves right now?

[mg794613]

Preaching against the choir sir, I fully agree!

Normally I would understand our reluctance. But you know, old sentiment takes a long time to be overriden by new information.

The idea they have is "if we cooperate, we might not get hurt". But modern America will use you, empty you and then still turn their back on you.

So yes, I agree, better to cut ties now and start rebuilding without them. Now I just need to convince the people in power with all their investments in the USA.

I'll let you know how that goes ;)

[hyperman1]

Somerhing is finally happening. A consultant came talking about software choices. We asked for non US possibilities and he gave a few. While talking about ut, he mentioned the question came up a lot now, typically from governements and bigger corporations dealing with entities outside the EU. Discussion was done on management levels, not just on IT levels. It seems everyone is testing the waters.

[throw1234567891]

Children of the people who fought for your freedom? Trump’s family coming from Germany, Rubio is of Cuban origin, … children of the people who fought in the war are in the “they took my job” boat.