[kemiller]

This is a great article, but I think it’s hard to ignore that Japan’s culture of harmony is a big part of why they were able to choose sensible regulations that benefitted everyone. We struggle to pass even the most sensible land use reforms because entrenched interests want to remain entrenched even if it hurts the system overall.

[mitthrowaway2]

So America's culture of individual liberty is why people don't have the freedom to build whatever they want on the land that they own?

[Someone1234]

American's culture of me, me, me, now, now, now is why.

If it doesn't benefit the individual almost immediately they're strongly opposed.

They want the benefits of strong infrastructure but let someone else build it without inconveniencing ME or costing ME a dime.

It is a culture that teaches greed is good and society should be built around all gain no cost.

[socalgal2]

> They want the benefits of strong infrastructure but let someone else build it without inconveniencing ME or costing ME a dime.

Which is what the Japanese have. private railways

[antonymoose]

As an American, I always hear all these weird stories about New York and its subway system. All the random busker type nonsense, the petty crime and the “mugger wallet” type jokes. Not to mention the major crimes that make the news.

I’d rather not deal with it? Yes I know roads are dangerous. I’d still rather not deal with the expected culturally imposed insanity that the Japanese curiously seem to lack.

[mmooss]

> I always hear all these weird stories

The weird stories, about anything, are nonsense; sensationalized to either be emotoinally compelling or even active disinformation to serve some political end (especially about American cities, especially about NYC.)

It's just induced fear. Just go to NY and ride the subway. Millions do all the time without any problems, without a second thought. It's really no problem and amazingly convenient. (Busking is people playing music.)

Of course some crime occurs among millions of people but so do lottery grand prizes and heart attacks. I've been on many subway rides without experiencing one crime or even seeing one, and much other public transit.

And when you do, you'll know what to think of the stories and people who tell them.

[superdisk]

It's extremely common for there to be human shit in the train cars, and lunatics going nuts. It's absolutely nothing like Japan.

[mmooss]

> It's extremely common for there to be human shit in the train cars, and lunatics going nuts

Where does that come from? Not from your experience. You've never been on NY subways, clearly.

I've never seen feces - and anyway, how could you tell if it's from a dog? Did you examine it? Take it home and test it? It's one of the stories that maybe is slightly plausible, and which yields such strong disgust that rationality is overwhelmed and it makes a sensation - perfectly constructed misinformation or urban myth. Like waking up in a bathtub with a kidney missing.

'Lunatics' is such a loaded (and hateful) word you'll have to specify what you mean, but the occasional person talking to themself is harmless and completely uninterested in you (thus the conversation with themself) - I have never had any problem with such people on public transit or elsewhere. They are the most vulnerable people and compassion is the appropriate response.

As I wrote above, the stories are nonsense and it's induced fear.

[frollogaston]

Those stories would be accurate on BART in San Francisco. I used to ride that every day to/from work and at other times. The non-rush-hour times were the worst actually.

I've never lived in NYC, but from visiting, their subways seem safer (and also work much better).

[OneDeuxTriSeiGo]

> All the random busker type nonsense, the petty crime and the “mugger wallet” type jokes.

Most of this is stories. Yeah there are buskers but tbh I like buskers. Music in the public square is a plus not a minus even if it's not my personal preference of music.

Subway crime rates are around 2-4 incidents per million rides. There was a spike during covid and it started to rapidly trend down afterwards. That corresponds with economic desperation during that period pretty cleanly.

But that 2-4 incidents per million rides is roughly comparable to the crime rates at gas stations, etc. The difference is that density is lower so you just see it less often. It happens just about as frequently but you are less likely to witness it because you are less likely to be present when it happens to somebody else at a gas station.

> I’d still rather not deal with the expected culturally imposed insanity that the Japanese curiously seem to lack.

Trust me Japan has just as much of an issue with crime on rail. Arguably they have higher rates but the Japanese police often just don't consider sexual harassment or sexual assault a serious crime and would rather brush it under the rug or otherwise deal with it outside the criminal system to avoid harming the abuser. (ex: an incident that I'm familiar with: "oh we gave the guy who assaulted you on the train your address so they could mail you a hand written apology note instead of charging them with assault")

And the "wacky in your face" crime (intoxicated, mental illness, etc) is still very much an issue in Japan but it's cracked down on by police in places that tourists frequently visit during the day and otherwise everyone just expects it so people who live there don't really mention it to tourists.

I mean hell look at Shibuya Meltdown for some of the more mild "funny" examples.

The only real difference between the NYC metro and the Japanese metro is that it's louder because there's not a social norm to limit talking on the train (until people are drunk ofc). Otherwise it's all the same shit and you see it all when you start commuting.

[Humorist2290]

America's culture of individual liberty moved into the national mythos in the last century, replaced by a culture of consumption and commerce over all. People don't have the freedom to build whatever they want because pockets need to be greased, permits need to be reviewed, HOAs need to have their fees, etc.

[hirpslop]

Yes, that’s exactly right. Maximal ‘individual liberty’ is my right to maximize my land’s value. My neighbors either agree to maximize theirs in a way that increases, or doesn’t hinder, mine, or they are my enemy to be litigated to death by my lawyers for damages.

[SoftTalker]

It's also hard to ignore that Japan was bombed to smithereens in the 1940s and undertook a nationwide rebuilding effort that might have contributed to a more uniform approach to land use.

[bregma]

Not to mention that every few years either a typhoon or a 9.0 earthquake defeats any effort to build exceptional value in your property.

It seems the only thing that is permanent in Japan is impermanence.

[codethief]

> Not to mention that every few years either a typhoon or a 9.0 earthquake defeats any effort to build exceptional value in your property.

Isn't that the same in certain regions of the US?

[swed420]

> because entrenched interests want to remain entrenched even if it hurts the system overall.

You might say it's because we live in a "low trust society," but not for the reasons the people who usually invoke that term claim.

[dudul]

What are the reasons people usually invoke? And what are the "true reasons"?

[swed420]

Most people using the term "low trust society" are implying that certain subsets of the population are the cause of it, often with racial (non-white) and/or economic (lower class) components, whereas somebody like me views those groups and their behaviors, to the extent that it's true, as a symptom of the low trust society rather than the root cause. For me, the root cause is systemic corruption all the way to the top, for decade after decade.

[unselect5917]

And they are obviously correct as the per capita statistics prove out over and over and over and over and over again.

[swed420]

Please show the statistics and explain how they prove the direction of causality you're so confidently claiming.

[mmooss]

> Japan’s culture of harmony is a big part of why they were able to choose sensible regulations that benefitted everyone.

Is there evidence of that? It sounds like a broad stereotype of a complex, large country by an ignorant outsider.

> entrenched interests want to remain entrenched even if it hurts the system overall

Another way to look at that is prioritzing the individual over the system, a hallmark of liberty and human rights.