[realo]

Yes... me too. It is called a democratic country, where citizens value the environment created around them by their government.

That is NOT what the USA is, at the moment. Very happy not to live there, or go there in any capacity.

[jfengel]

We Americans are easily terrified. It just takes a little eyebrow-waggling to suggest that the criminals are easily identified by the color of their skin, so that you're safe from any tactics used to suppress them.

We used to think of ourselves as gradually getting better. Turns out that all that accomplished was to encourage resentment, and we finally got tired of pretending otherwise. I dunno if we can ever get back the illusion of improvement, since it will be clear for a very long time just how powerful the urge to cower is. I hope it's soon enough for you to come visit some day, because we do also have a lot of virtues, but for the moment it's not safe for the inhabitants, much less the strangers.

[nslsm]

Yes, in his texts Cleisthenes was pretty clear that AI cameras weren't acceptable in a democracy.

[freedomben]

A lot of people seem to attribute voter decisions they don't like with != democracy. I don't think people realize that democracies can also be surveillance police state dystopias if that's what the people vote for. It doesn't make it less of a democracy

[realo]

When 75% of the people in the USA did NOT vote for the current regime, i can hardly call that democratic.

You pay taxes? Vote. Should be mandatory, and the government should make it extremely easy to do.

[xx_ns]

I'm not from the US, so I hope you excuse my ignorance, but who exactly voted for mass surveillance or AI cameras?

[GaryBluto]

No Democracy has voters vote on every position, they elect representatives who act on a number of policies and aims.

[rationalist]

Unfortunately there is no representative that would vote on every issue how I would want them to vote.

That means if only politicians that are savvy enough to get campaign donations, air time, etc; that claim to represent me on more important issues than cameras, are the only ones on the ballot for me to choose from, and they all like cameras, I don't get much of a say in cameras.

[freedomben]

That's not unreasonable, but then by your definition are there actually any democracies in the world as of current?

From a practical standpoint, how would that even work? Would the politican call you and everyone in their district before each vote and record it? Or would every bill that comes up have a poll?

[nslsm]

It’s a democracy when people vote for what I want.