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by SideQuark 55 days ago
> The extra half ulp error makes no difference to the accuracy of calculations

It absolutely does matter. The first, and most important reason, is one needs to know the guarantees of every operation in order to design numerical algorithms that meet some guarantee. Without knowing that the components provide, it's impossible to design algorithms on top with some guarantee. And this is needed in a massive amount of applications, from CAD, simulation, medical and financial items, control items, aerospace, and on and on.

And once one has a guarantee, making the lower components tighter allows higher components to do less work. This is a very low level component, so putting the guarantees there reduces work for tons of downstream work.

All this is precisely what drove IEEE 754 to become a thing and to become the standard in modern hardware.

> the problem is that languages traditionally rely on an OS provided libm leading to cross architecture differences

No, they don't not things like sqrt and atanh and related. They've relied on compiler provided libs since, well, as long as there have been languages. And the higher level libs, like BLAS, are built on specific compilers that provide guarantees by, again, libs the compiler used. I've not seen OS level calls describing the accuracy of the floating point items, but a lot of languages do, including C/C++ which underlies a lot of this code.

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> The first, and most important reason, is one needs to know the guarantees of every operation in order to design numerical algorithms that meet some guarantee

sure, but a 1 ulp guarantee works just as well here while being substantially easier to provide.

> And the higher level libs, like BLAS, are built on specific compilers that provide guarantees

Sure, but Blas doesn't provide any accuracy guarantees so it being built on components that sort of do has pretty minimal value for it. For basically any real application, the error you experience is error from the composition of intrinsics, not the composed error of those intrinsic themselves, and that remains true even if those intrinsics have 10 ULP error or 0.5 ULP error