[catlikesshrimp]

What is Russia's side of the argument? What is China's side of the argument? What is USA's side of the argument?

Bibi's reasons are not the same of the ultra ortodox, neither the same of the ultra zionists, neither the same of regular joes.

(Bibi wants to avoid going to trial, the orthodox believe god promised them "all of israel" (which includes some Lebanon, Syria, Jordan), the zionists are your run of the mill nazis (racists), while most of the people want "peace" whatever the price.

[AlecSchueler]

> [What is Israel's side of the argument?] What is Russia's side of the argument? What is China's side of the argument? What is USA's side of the argument?

All of these countries but one have launched invasions within the past ten years. What's the obsession with China?

[cnd78A]

The reality is much simplier, it's not a one man story not even a top down one. If you had travel on those area you would know that their leader reflect the will / moral sense of the population. Most Israelis approve the genocide, most Russians and Americans don't mind invading other nations.

[chistev]

The way I understand the dispute, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that Ukraine was formerly part of the Soviet Union.

Russia feels aggrieved that in recent years Ukraine has been trying to become part of NATO, a move that would further diminish Russia's ability to project power in the region.

NATO has already expanded into former Warsaw pact countries, and even former Soviet Republics. Russia feels they need to do something about Ukraine before Ukraine becomes one of them.

Western leaders have already broken the promise made during the cold war that NATO would not expand "one inch eastward" beyond a reunified Germany.

Please, this is not a defense by me of Russia's attack of Ukraine. I'm just describing Russia's side of the "argument" as I understand it.

Once again, correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't understand Israel's side of the argument, if you could explain to me.

[mewpmewp2]

These are the "excuses" by Russia. The only real motivation is to expand its own power and influence in the World. They will find whatever lowest hanging fruit to justify the actions they think will lead to it. They will try to propose a rhetoric that sounds as if they are justified to something. Everyone does that, not just Russia, but there are countries and leaders who always want to expand at the cost of others, and there are countries who just want to be and are fine with their borders. If it wasn't decade old broken promises by someone from NATO or whatever they would of course dig for another reason as part of the propaganda. There is no rational reason for a peaceful country without goals of expansion to fear NATO. They don't like the expansion of NATO because it limits their abilities in the future to expand.

NATO is for countries that want to stay as they are without having to be as scared that Russia decides they would be their next target for expansion. If those countries in the east didn't join NATO, Russia would use another excuse to at first opportunity invade and occupy those countries.