[adrianN]

Yeah, the swing riots ultimately did not lead to better working conditions

[ben_w]

Riots are very different to trade unions in the same way that a civil war is different from an electoral democracy.

[adrianN]

Well, if riots don’t help, I don’t think peaceful strikes work better.

[ben_w]

Yes? I'm saying unions, whose power is strikes, cannot possibly work because the strikers have zero power in the circumstance "we have decided to make you all redundant".

[adrianN]

And I’m providing further evidence for your claim.