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by vel0city 68 days ago
> Both are deeply knowledgeable about Tesla’s Full-Self Driving suite and Roy stressed that he couldn’t have completed the trip without them.

Totally fully self driving even though you need not one, not two, but three autonomous driving experts with you. And be sure to have a second car with you when your first autonomous vehicle strands you. Sure sounds like a reliable system ready for the masses to use on public roadways!
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ggreer 68 days ago
I think you misread the article. The stranding was because they left a place without one of the passengers and had to go back to get him. It had nothing to do with autonomous driving. I’m not sure what help the autonomous driving experts added beyond recommending cleaning the cameras at each stop. None of them work for Tesla, and it’s not like they could tweak the software along the way.

I’m not making any claims about FSD’s safety or how ready it is for mass usage on public roads. I am trying to figure out what information would convince you that someone has used FSD for thousands of miles without intervening. Does this count or not? If not, why?

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vel0city 68 days ago
> I am trying to figure out what information would convince you that someone has used FSD for thousands of miles without intervening.

I never doubted it, I just said I don't trust things Tesla states on their website (they're objectively known to lie, especially when it comes to videos about their self driving) and I don't trust randos on Twitter.

I will say though, the people in the article have a vested interest in pushing a pro-AV agenda. But in the end, sure, I guess they probably did have that trip they say they did.

It doesn't surprise me people managed to go thousands of miles without disengaging especially since it sounds like this isn't their first time trying (flip a coin enough and you'll possibly get heads several times in a row after all) and that's nearly all highway miles. I've personally driven many shots on a non-Tesla well over 150 miles hands-free without any disengagements on a system that attempts less than what Tesla does. The only disengagements for most of those drives were to exit the highway to charge. You pick a route that has easy to get to chargers, you don't venture off the highways much, sure sounds possible to me. In the end though I don't personally see it as that radical of a difference on a road trip. On a nearly 300mi drive I probably directly operated the car like 5 of those miles total. Is risking people's lives at the surface street parts with beta software worth that last little bit?

Note, that's several thousand miles of no disengagements on a long, pre-planned cross country drive. Not 10,000 miles of driving around in a city and having all the other randomness of life peppered in. So what are we really measuring here? I'm sure we could get it to 500,000mi or more on a closed course if we wanted to. Although, after saying that, they still haven't on the Las Vegas Loop, so...maybe not?

And people act like this is delivering what Elon promised about cross-country autonomous driving. But it's not. They still needed the driver there in the car, paying attention the whole way. They still needed to charge it themselves. So we're a decade late and we still don't actually have what was promised.

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ggreer 68 days ago
If you never doubted it, then why did you call me crazy to believe it, then want something more convincing than, “a random Twitter feed and a news post from a company which is known to spread lies”? It’s quite annoying to spend time digging up information only to be gaslit about the need to provide it.

Regarding the rest of your comment: Again, nowhere in this thread am I making any claims about FSD’s safety or how ready it is for mass usage on public roads. I am not saying it lives up to the promises or that it has been delivered on schedule. You are making arguments against beliefs I do not hold. That is a waste of time for both of us.

The point I am making is that other brands have zero examples of consumers using them on public roads without intervention for thousands of consecutive miles, so claiming they are equivalent or better in capability to FSD is not accurate.

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vel0city 68 days ago
> why did you call me crazy to believe it,

I called you crazy for citing a website known for publishing lies.

> only to be gaslit about the need to provide it

I never asked for you to go digging. Your own personal drive to stan for Tesla did that.

> claiming they are equivalent or better in capability to FSD is not accurate.

I'm not saying they're 100% exactly the same. I'm just saying spending 5 miles actually operating the car on a several hundred mile road trip is pretty much the same as not touching the wheel at all to me if I'm still ultimately responsible for the operation of the car. In the end I had to completely pay attention the whole way. Until it's actually (Unsupervised) it's really mostly the same to me. Especially since I can't really trust the not-full not-self driving to not get into an accident or kill someone with me as the one responsible.

In the end they're both level 2 systems.

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