[zozbot234]

> We need more voices like this to cut through the bullshit.

Open models are not bullshit, they work fine for many cases and newer techniques like SSD offload make even 500B+ models accessible for simple uses (NOT real-time agentic coding!) on very limited hardware. Of course if you want the full-featured experience it's going to cost a lot.

[solenoid0937]

I fell for this stuff, went into the open+local model rabbit hole, and am finally out of it. What a waste of time and money!

People that love open models dramatically overstate how good the benchmaxxed open models are. They are nowhere near Opus.

[arcanemachiner]

There is absolutely a use case for open models... but anyone expecting to get anywhere near the GPT 5.x or Claude 4.x experience for more demanding tasks (read: anything beyond moderate-difficulty coding) will be sorely disappointed.

I love my little hobby aquarium though... It's pretty impressive when Qwen Coder Next and Qwen 3.5 122B can accomplish (in terms of general agentic use and basic coding tasks), considering that the models are freely-available. (Also heard good things about Qwen 3.5 27B, but haven't used it much... yes I am a Qwen fanboi.)