[pojzon]

If you get to pay X to YY $$ per each request (because thats the real cost for Anthropic), I strongly believe AI train would suddenly derail.

Currently we are all subsidied by investors money.

How long you can have a business that is only losing money. At some point prices will level up and this will be the end of this escapade.

[JamesSwift]

Once local models hit claude code + opus 4.5 levels that is the new normal. That is a good-enough baseline of intelligence to sustain productivity for the next 10 years or more. We are still so close to this line in the sand that theres not a lot of margin for regression in the SOTA models before they become "worse than no AI" for getting real work done day-to-day. But eventually the local models and harnesses will catch up and there will no longer be a need to use the SAAS versions and still reap the benefits of AI in general.

[FeepingCreature]

It's very unlikely that API use is subsidized.

[jermaustin1]

I keep hearing both sides of this "debate," but no one is providing any direct evidence other than "I do(n't) think that is true."

[FeepingCreature]

Well there can't be direct evidence, it's a private corporation and we don't know how big the model is. But you can look on Openrouter for hosters that offer free models with known sizes, where there's no brand and so no incentive to subsidize, and they don't look wildly bigger than OpenAI/Anthropic API prices.

edit: example: GLM 5.1, a 751B model, is offered for 0.6$/m in, 4.43$/m out. Scuttlebutt (ie. I asked Google's AI) seems to think that Opus 4 is a 1T/5T MoE model, so you can treat it (with some effort) as a 1T model for pricing purposes. Its API pricing is $1.55 in, $25 out, ie. 2x to 5x more than GLM. Idk what to say other than this sounds about right, probably with healthy margin.