[cultofmetatron]

> There seems a fair enthusiasm in the UI of these to hide code from coders. Like the prompt interaction is the true source and the actual code is some sort of annoying intermediate runtime inconvenience to cover up.

I've finally started getting into AI with a coding harness but I've take the opposite approach. usually I have the structure of my code in my mind already and talk to the prompt like I'm pairing with it. while its generating the code, I'm telling it the structure of the code and individual functions. its sped me up quite a lot while I still operate at the level of the code itself. the final output ends up looking like code I'd write minus syntax errors.

[ok_dad]

This is the way to do it if you're a serious developer, you use the AI coding agent as a tool, guiding it with your experience. Telling a coding agent "build me an app" is great, but you get garbage. Telling an agent "I've stubbed out the data model and flow in the provided files, fill in the TODOs for me" allows you the control over structure that AI lacks. The code in the functions can usually be tweaked yourself to suit your style. They're also helpful for processing 20 different specs, docs, and RFCs together to help you design certain code flows, but you still have to understand how things work to get something decent.

Note that I program in Go, so there is only really 1 way to do anything, and it's super explicit how to do things, so AI is a true help there. If I were using Python, I might have a different opinion, since there are 27 ways to do anything. The AI is good at Go, but I haven't explored outside of that ecosystem yet with coding assistance.

[maleldil]

If you use a type checker in strict mode (e.g. pyright with "typeCheckingMode: strict") and a linter with strict rules (e.g. ruff with many rules enabled), the output space is constrained enough that you can get pretty consistent Python code. I'm not saying this is "good Python" overall, but it works pretty well with agents.

[holoduke]

Ai is even good in turbo pascal if you instruct it right

[mlcruz]

My workflow is quite similar. I try to write my prompts and supporting documentation in a way that it feels like the LLM is just writing what is in my mind.

When im in implementation sessions i try to not let the llm do any decision making at all, just faster writing. This is way better than manually typing and my crippling RSI has been slowly getting better with the use of voice tools and so on.

[cbovis]

This is the way.

The funny thing is my expectation was that adoption of AI coding would kill the joy of getting into a flow state but I've actually found myself starting to slip into an alternate type of flow state.

Instead of hammering out code manually over an hour the new flow state is a back and forth with the LLM on something that's clear in my mind. It's a collaborative state where I'm ultimately not writing much code manually but I'm still bouncing between technical thoughts, designing architecture, reviewing code, switching direction etc.

[jclardy]

Yeah - similar thing for me as well. A lot of times there would be something I want to work on that would be boilerplate/repetitive/laborious work and I would just procrastinate it for as long as possible, working on other things, until I'd finally get around to doing it. Now those are just immediately completed with a simple prompt and instead of going with the initial implementation, I have the bandwidth to tweak and refine details that I would have skipped over before just to ship.

[dear_prudence]

I personally have been finding good results "hiding the code" behind the harnesses. I do have to rely on verification and testing a lot, which I also get the AI to do, but for most of the cases it works out well enough. A good verification and testing setup with automated, strict reviewing goes a long way.