[aliljet]

Have they effectively communicated what a 20x or 10x Claude subscription actually means? And with Claude 4.7 increasing usage by 1.35x does that mean a 20x plan is now really a 13x plan (no token increase on the subscription) or a 27x plan (more tokens given to compensate for more computer cost) relative to Claude Opus 4.6?

[oidar]

Anthropic isn't going to give us that information. It's not actually static, it depends on subscription demand and idle compute available.

[willis936]

Given they have all of the information and all of the control, do you trust them to be fair?

[kingleopold]

so it's all "it depends" as a business offering, lmao. all marketing

[minimaxir]

The more efficient tokenizer reduces usage by representing text more efficiently with fewer tokens. But the lack of transparancy does indeed mean Anthropic could still scale down limits to account for that.

[redml]

a few months ago it was for weekly:

pro = 5m tokens, 5x = 41m tokens, 20x = 83m tokens

making 5x the best value for the money (8.33x over pro for max 5x). this information may be outdated though, and doesn't apply to the new on peak 5h multipliers. anything that increases usage just burns through that flat token quota faster.

[bearjaws]

I am 90% sure it's looking at month long usage trends now and punishing people who utilize 80%+ week over week. It's the only way to explain how some people burn through their limit in an hour and others who still use it a lot get through their hourly limits fine.

[redml]

It's hard to say. Admittedly I'm a heavy user as I intentionally cap out my 5x plan every week - I've personally found that I get more usage being on older versions of CC and being very vigilant on context management. But nobody can say for sure, we know they have A/B test capabilities from the CC leaks so it's just a matter of turning on a flag for a heavy user.

[aliljet]

wait. that's insanity. where did you get those numbers from? the 5x plan is obviously the right place to be...

[redml]

someone did the math and posted it somewhere, I forgot where, searching for it again just provides the numbers i remember seeing. at the time i remembered what it was like on pro vs 5x and it felt correct. again, it may not be representative of today.

[zrkrlc]

You’re probably thinking of this article: https://she-llac.com/claude-limits

[redml]

thats it! thanks for digging it up