[hgoel]

Alternatively only allow transfers within a very short period of the event. Anyone with a legitimate reason (giving to a friend etc) can work it out even on the day of the event. But scalpers have to take on a big risk buying up the good seats early, because they have a short window of time within which to secure a sale (buyers won't risk pre-paying, sellers can't risk prospective buyers backing out at the last minute).

Another tactic I've seen when there isn't assigned seating - just different tiers of seating - is to hold back some small portion of tickets to release shortly before the event, devaluing the scalpers' listings.

Online streaming tickets can also help, especially if the fans have enough of an anti-scalper stance. They'd choose one of the endless live streaming tickets over buying from scalpers just to go in-person.

I can only assume that the people flippantly proposing that the solution should be to restrict consumer freedoms don't attend these types of events themselves. Why should we immediately jump to limiting freedoms when we can increase the risk of scalping enough to be beyond the tolerance of most scalpers.

[chadash]

What stops a scalper from buying early and then guaranteeing someone they will transfer the ticket on the day of the event?

[hgoel]

How is a buyer supposed to trust that the scalper won't just run away with the money? And conversely, how is the scalper supposed to trust that buyers aren't just feigning interest and will back out at the last minute?

Even escrow systems don't necessarily bypass this because ultimately the buyer is likely spending on more than just the concert ticket. They're probably taking time off work, maybe traveling in from another city or country. So even if they might get their ticket money back if the seller backs out, by the time that happens, it's too late to get refunds on everything else.

And combined with the possibility of getting lower prices closer to the event (extra drops from the event, honest resellers who just can't make it, scalpers trying to cut their losses), even buyers wouldn't commit early to scalper prices.

[bombcar]

We'll start a HN online marketplace, called "Dive Station" that will guarantee everything and offer insurance and double-your-money back guarantees.

We'll get bought out by TicketMaster within 5 years.

[saaaaaam]

5 years? 18 months max!

[butlike]

Live Elation

[BugsJustFindMe]

> How is a buyer supposed to trust that the scalper won't just run away with the money?

Contract law like anything else?

[paulryanrogers]

Maybe limit total number of transfers among all tickets. Because it should be a small minority of legit transfers.

Scalpers should be less likely to take a chance their transfer will be denied, whereas to a legit customer and friend ticket is otherwise worthless and just a best effort anyway.

Or beyond the first X% of transfers you do more rigorous validation. Like asking for the original buyer to call in to confirm in realtime. Something not easily automated.

[mschuster91]

> Anyone with a legitimate reason (giving to a friend etc) can work it out even on the day of the event.

I've seen it happen multiple times people couldn't find someone to take the ticket off of them, even for free.

Sure, for an ultra mainstream act the likes of Rammstein? A FC Bayern soccer game? You'll always find some people outside the venue willing to pay in cash for tickets.

But anything with a small fanbase? Whoops.

[hgoel]

If you were honestly just looking to sell your ticket at a price that recovers your costs, I think you'd have an easier time pre-planning a trade.

But there's definitely a balance to be found between the popularity of an event and how soon you allow trades.