[egeozcan]

I'm a parent, and all I can think as a solution is devalue nudity. I'm not saying we should all walk around naked, but make sure children understand the human body earlier, any why we wear clothes, the values, customs, without the stigma. Makes it also easier to teach what's okay and what's not, and if someone does something "not okay", they are easier to identify as the ones responsible. Fake or real, a nude photo should give no control to anyone.

It's extremely easy to do all sorts of weird things with AI, all local. Controlling that means controlling the hardware, something none of us wants, and it will get only easier, I suppose. So, doing what I said earlier becomes even easier if these stuff gets automatically devalued by commoditization.

I'm not saying I know better than people who want restrictions, and I'm not trying to offer yet another "ban all bans" opinion, I just don't see any other realistic solution. There are however many other people much more knowledgeable than me in these matters, so, maybe I'll be positively surprised.

[orwin]

It won't work, because if nudity doesn't get the rise those bully crave, they will go toward depicting sexual acts. And you don't want to devalue that, girls have enough trouble reporting SA as it is.

[egeozcan]

Perhaps they observe being "pure", and "clean" valued too much, and they see again and again the people who had their sex tapes leaked getting bad publicity. Perhaps that's why cannot report it? I remember Sibel Kekilli's German family (of Turkish origin, exactly like me) disowning her because someone found some porn movie of her. Also this:

> In 2017, Kekilli blocked her Instagram account from being accessed in Turkey, saying that users from that country had sent a multitude of abusive and threatening messages.

and this:

> A discussion has been trending on X (formerly Twitter) after a post featuring side-by-side images of Sibel Kekilli from the early 2000s and her later look in the popular series Game of Thrones. The caption read, “She was once a p** star, but HBO gave her the role anyway,” which has garnered close to 10 million views.

from https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity/articles/inter...

Why should that even matter? So you can see her naked online... So what?! I'm reading "Sluts" from Beth Ashley, and she identifies these patterns perfectly in todays world even when they're not obvious.

Males too, they value being tough too much so they don't report abuse. One example is Chester Bennington (may he rest in peace):

> Bennington was afraid to ask for help, not wanting people to think he was gay or a liar, and the abuse continued until age 13

I have a son, and I would be devastated if I couldn't give my son the courage to report something like this. I'm thankful that in this day and age, the "gay" stigma is much less pronounced (like 0 in this wonderful country called Germany). That said, we still have a lot to do though!

So how do we solve this without making porn and nudity nothing sacred? I remember first coming to Germany and people being confused because I was too shy to change my clothes in the male changing room together. Then I realized... Everyone is naked, why should I be ashamed?

[ButlerianJihad]

> blocked her Instagram account from being accessed in Turkey

Wait, you buried the lede here! Instagram can block countries? How can I do that?

[kypro]

I agree. My partner works in schools and recently she was talking about how they now run these classes in schools telling the kids not to send nude pictures to each other because it will ruin their careers and if they get out people will bully them, etc.

Of course I agree with teaching kids that people might have various views about nudity, but I think effectively teaching them that if they take nude photos of themselves it is the end of the world and will inflict permanent damage to their reputation as a means to try to prevent it happening is absurd.

I think if anything the opposite would be the better solution – to teach kids that it's perfectly normal and respectable in this day and age for people to share nudes with each other, but that it's important to trust those you share the nudes with if you don't want them getting out.

Similarly with deep fakes I don't think we should be telling kids how awful it is for them to be deepfaked, and that they are a victim etc, but that this is just something that's likely to happen these days and while it's disrespectful, and while they have a right to be angry, it's also not something to get overly worked up about.

I just think we have to be pragmatic about this.. The only reason there's any shame in any of this is because we have a societal sigma around nudity. You're not going to get rid of deepfakes and nudes being leaked, but you might be able to change attitudes such that it doesn't really matter.

[UncleMeat]

This isn't just nudity.

These fakes are made of young women with what looks like cum all over them or in a pose to give a blowjob or be penetrated. Devaluing nudity does not change how people interpret porn.

[lostmsu]

Sounds like people here want to outlaw non-physical abuse, but that contradicts the first amendment, doesn't it?

[UncleMeat]

No. The first amendment does not provide unlimited protection for all things that resemble speech. Students have further limited speech protections, and sexual speech by students at school has been expressly found to not be protected by the first amendment. Abusive and bullying behavior is similarly unprotected. And while I don't believe that there has been a first amendment challenge to deepfake revenge porn laws, I'd be stunned if such a law didn't survive strict scrutiny.

[kyleee]

Democratize the spank bank