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by embedding-shape 58 days ago
> is there _nothing_ we can do as a society to address this?

Well, I guess the argument goes that regardless of how much you lock down centralized platforms like Grok, these tools can run locally on a PC so as long as people can do local inference with this tooling, it won't fully go away. With that said, limiting the centralized platforms from generating nudes from uploaded images/photos feels like an obvious limitation they should implement, if they haven't already.

So if we consider that we could probably limit most of the "off-hand" stuff that happens with the platforms, but we cannot fully limit the offline ones, I'm guessing that the best solution is merely "Education" here, together with laws. AFAIK, it's already illegal to create deepfakes and share those with others, but probably the education around this isn't great, as it's such a new thing hardly adults understand, much less younger folks.

It's a societal problem that I'm afraid doesn't have a technological solution, as far as I can tell, because the cat is out of the bag, so whatever "solution" we come up with, have to go beyond just technical capabilities/limitations.

One thing people might be missing to carefully consider, is the whole "private" vs "sharing" part of this. People been fantasizing, drawing pictures and similar things about others (even strangers) for as long as humans probably been around. What's new, is that it's effortlessly to share those now, and they spread far, wide and fast. I don't feel like we could possibly stop the whole "I don't like people fantasizing about me" part, it's just too human to get rid of, but what we need to get rid of is the whole sharing part, which is what actively harms people.

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Teenagers aren't running generative models on their home PCs, they're using online tools. Sure, some people will do it offline, but these are by and large crimes of opportunity.
Horny Teenagers Find A Way. If the online tools were all magically shut down today, by tomorrow, they'd all be running local models on the local computer nerd's gaming GPU rig.
I doubt it. Photoshop was already pretty accessible, moreso than downloading sketchy models and getting them to run.

It's also a matter of scale. If a dozen teenage boys in a class are generating nudes, they feel safety in numbers. If it's only the weird computer kid who can do it, it's far easier to address and far more likely that it'll blow back on him.