[shawndrost]

It seems to me that Trump's second term foreign policy is obsessed with dismantling the "shadow" oil market -- ending the system where China captures upside when sanctioned countries like Russia, Iran, and Venezuela sell oil, in yuan to boot -- without losing face or deterrence. They have arguably been successful at that objective in Iran and Venezuela, and I forget what's going on with Russia, but you can see the administration working on that front too. (I say this as a Biden stan and someone who thinks the Iran war is bad chess and bad morals.)

The other place I'd push back on this article is its belief that America doesn't want to trim the grass in Iran every few years. We are pretty committed to Iran not having nukes and the American people seem to have liked this war and the earlier strike pretty well.

[ethersteeds]

> obsessed with [...] ending the system where China captures upside when sanctioned countries like Russia [...] sell oil.

> ... and I forget what's going on with Russia...

Well they relaxed sanctions on Russia in the hopes it would counteract the effects of their blunder, that's how it's going.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-oil-sanctions-iran-war-hor...

[orwin]

'trim the grass'. The person who invented this euphemism should have the Nobel price for war or a similar prize. Such bad morals.

[lostlogin]

Fifa Peace Prize?

[watwut]

> America doesn't want to trim the grass in Iran every few years

Otherwise said, America is not trustworthy negotiating partner, because it is already planning to break whatever peace or ceasefire they pretend to make.

And this is one additional reason why Iran absolutely want that straight - if they walk away while it is not their, they are not just loosing money. They are making themselves victims of regular bombing on Israel and USA whim.

[petesergeant]

> the American people seem to have liked this war

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/...

and that's without the oil supply shocks having kicked in properly yet

[seanmcdirmid]

I don’t think most Americans lied the previous strikes so much as they were neutral to them. Weapons of mass destruction arguments themselves fall off as meh to most people these days, especially those who remember Bush 2’s run. “Oh north Korea might have nukes? Ok…Iran also you say, so what?”

We not committed at all to an expensive war every few years with Iran. Rather, we should do what China is doing and unwind our dependence on middle eastern oil (or a low world price for while pumped domestically) and just move on to new and better transportation tech.

[ifwinterco]

Trump is more unpopular now than Nixon was... after Watergate

[palmotea]

> Trump is more unpopular now than Nixon was... after Watergate

And surprisingly, the Democrats are even less popular than he is.

[jmward01]

> ending the system where China captures upside when sanctioned countries like Russia, Iran, and Venezuela sell oil, in yuan to boot -- without losing face or deterrence. They have arguably been successful at that objective in Iran and Venezuela

If success here means China looks like the good guy and the world is disentangling themselves from the US as fast as possible then, yeah, we are winning. China is taking a hit right now, but it is at the exact moment they are hitting an inflection point in alternative energy. Is their economy actually grinding to a halt right now? I honestly haven't seen a lot of news stories about china actually taking a massive hit but I have seen several speculating they will. The net result here will likely be a big win for China.

> the American people seem to have liked this war and the earlier strike pretty well.

I don't think that is true at all. I think there is a cult of Trump and the republican base hits the hypocrisy button every chance they get so the party propaganda is only saying good things. However, within that base the cracks are there in that they aren't 100% cheering this on. There are quiet people that don't want to disagree with their cult leader so they don't say they disagree, but at the same time they are not saying loudly they actually do agree. This is, I think a telling change. As for the people not in the cult of Trump, I don't know any that are for this. There is a lot of 'Iran is bad' talk, but no 'this was a good idea' talk.

We were actually on a path to international normalization with verifiable nuclear disarmament before Trump 1.0 and here we are, Iran unleashed. Potentially they will get tolls for all traffic and a massive influence boost.

"Clausewitz’s most profound warning was not that war is hard, or that enemies get a vote, or that fog and friction confound the best-laid plans — though he believed all of those things. His deepest warning was about what happens when the political object is unclear or absent from the start."

Even now I can't think of a person that has clearly stated why we did this and what we aim to get out of this. The only plausible explanations I have seen are that Trump wanted a distraction and his only negotiating tactic is to double down hoping the other side will run out of chips. Both domestically and abroad this has been a disaster and will be for the next generation, at least.

[Shitty-kitty]

They love America using it's might, infact it is what they demand. Their issue was not with wars but with Nation building. The endless wars were atributed to miguded attempts to introduce Democracy. America should simply crush their enemies with superiror might and force them to do our bidding. Well that's not turning out to be so easiy either.

[watwut]

> The endless wars were atributed to miguded attempts to introduce Democracy.

Where they really in plural? Where exactly other then Afghanistan? I can think of more places where America explicitly overturned democracy (Iran, Chile) then places where it try to install one.

[Shitty-kitty]

I'm not talking about reality, just their beliefs.

[mna_]

Bombing people (including kids) is not "trimming the grass".

[orwin]

It is though, the first person who used the 'mowing the grass' euphemism clearly talked about killing kids and preventing Palestinian women to have access to reproductive care (and the fact that it is almost impossible to report a rape if you have no doctor who can confirm it is a very, very nice bonus.)